Terf war embroils Guardian HQ | article from The Spectator

Not active followers then

Jeepers, you've got The Times(daily and Sunday), The Torygraph, The Hate(daily and Sunday), The paper they can't sell in Liverpool (so scummy), the Spectator, Russia Today, Newsnight, The GUARDIAN at editorial level and the two members of cabinet who have it in their power to really shaft trans people. Here you are moaning about the possibility that some outlet may try to push the boat out and print something mildly trans supportive or even just truthful.

Remind me again who is in a cult?

Oh I'd forgotten him. Yes, he's utterly awful.

He really is.

20 to 30 demographic. Young Idealistic and very very nieve. Sad but I guess pritty standard in the general scheme of things.
A demographic who aren't big fans of paying for journalism either. Funny that...

My mate who is connect in left circles thinks there is 'something up' with LOJ. He would not give me details tho.

The bullying and harassment optics of this are either invisible or irrelevant to them, which is yet another astonishing example of institutions believing in the inevitability of their own moral rectitude - no matter what their actions.

A million followers for LOJ? Has his mum got multiple accounts? Who on earth are they?

1) A feeling, back in the 90s, that it was increasingly being written for a group of people living an aspirational middle-class lifestyle, who most definitely weren't me

Oh this! The day I banished the Saturday Guardian from my life it was like a weight was lifted from my shoulders.

And Ally Fogg, the self righteous prick - I'd forgotten about him!

3) Ally Fogg: a man potentially more anti-feminist than Owen Jones. Imagine being in the queue for the office Christmas buffet with those two.

Oh I'd forgotten him. Yes, he's utterly awful.

I only read the Guardian now for the Weekend Quiz and the occasional article, usually by someone like Hadley Freeman, because someone on social media has alerted me to it. My falling out of love with the Guardian came in three stages:-

1. A feeling, back in the 90s, that it was increasingly being written for a group of people living an aspirational middle-class lifestyle, who most definitely weren't me.
2. A feeling about 7 or 8 years ago that it was now an American newspaper, and that I was constantly being asked to care about something that someone in America had found offensive about meringues or llamas or jeggings or whatever.
3. Ally Fogg: a man potentially more anti-feminist than Owen Jones. Imagine being in the queue for the office Christmas buffet with those two.

How is her employment status different from Hadley Freeman? If Sonia is hounded out or she leaves, surely Hadley can't be far behind then?

Why on earth are they so desperate to hold on to OJ? They've confused his million followers and Twitter likes with someone with actual substance. The Guardian need to stop treating their writers like Instagram influencers - Twitter likes and engagement do not trump bullying of colleagues - how dare they think they control what a colleague writes.

I happened across this whilst doing a simple search. The people who are hounding Sonia and others like her, are convinced that the Guardian and Observer are "transphobic". I wonder if LOJ realises that?

medium.com/@notCursedE/the-guardian-is-transphobic-eebd0d5ea63a

I sent Sonia a supportive email to say thank you. Either way, I think I'm done with the Guardian. As a PP said, it's not that they disagree with my views, it's the fact that they are throwing good journalistic practices out of the window in service of an illogical and fundamentally dishonest ideology.

I also seriously question the judgement of any organisation that believes that a misogynist like OJ is an asset to their organisation.

I suppose his divisive twitter missives drum up plenty of outrage and publicity though.

On the point of cancelling my Guardian supporter status because of this. Not because they disagree with me, but because of the sheer intellectual dishonesty and cultivated stupidity that is involved in their stance.

That Sonia Sodha editorial was the mildest possible statement of the rights of gender critical women to free speech. It was hemmed in with bolted-on 'faults on both sides' phrases that had presumably been included as a sop to the gender ideologists. If the Guardian can't even cope with something as anodyne as that, they have just abandoned their 'facts are sacred' heritage.

Fuck them, they can go to the wolves of advert-distorted journalism. It's no worse than the male-privilege journalism that they seem to favour these days.

The Guardian silences women’s voices.

So fucking disappointing, but there it is. I avoid now whereas it used to be my go-to news source.

Sonia Sodha writes far too balanced and sensible articles. The Graun are lucky to have her.

Sonia

The desperation of some executives to keep Jones, who is already making lucrative sums from his Patreon account, from walking out is thought to be a factor in the apparent absence of any public rebuke from his editors.

They’re desperate to keep Owen Jones? Blimey. Ok, so we have a man taking advantage of his position of power to try to get women silenced for being feminists….

I don't really understand this. The Guardian still has GC writers, Hadley Freeman still writes for them? She wrote a column supporting Chimamanda Adichie a few weeks ago. Or is it cause she doesn't write for the Observer?

Nieve youngsters, posh thick fashionistas and yanks who want to get laid in brooklin.

Pathetic really. The victims of Peterloo must be turning in thair graves.

The Guardian is a joke. Has been for quite a few years now. I dont think I even know anyone who reads it anymore.
They are going after the american market, who they are relying on being think. They really dont give a toss that the brits have seen through their bullshit.

As the piece says, the guardian and observer have different editors. I would imagine the observer and Sonia Sodha could do with some supportive emails for having carved out a different path from the one laid down by diktats by guardian columnists.