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Terf war embroils Guardian HQ | article from The Spectator

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NonnyMouse1337 · 09/07/2021 16:49

www.spectator.co.uk/article/terf-war-embroils-guardian-hq

Mr S hears word that the editorial floors of the Guardian and its Sunday sister the Observer have become riven with tensions over the perennial problem of trans rights. WhatsApp groups are ablaze with talk that Observer commentator Sonia Sodha could become the next feminist hounded out of the group, following Suzanne Moore’s purging in November.

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PurpleHoodie · 10/07/2021 22:52

Absolutely disgraceful that the Guardian/Observer are going after their top female writers, particularly women of colour.

It really stinks. Why are they allowing white men to attack and try to silence women of colour with impunity?

Because they are institutionally racist?

MoreJammyDodgersPlease · 10/07/2021 20:32

I just clicked on a link to read the latest Hadley Freeman column and was told I've "read 50 articles in the last year. Congratulations on being one of our top readers globally". I used to buy the paper every day but haven't done for a long time now. It doesn't say much for them that reading one article a week makes you one of their top readers.

xxyzz · 10/07/2021 19:27

Good luck Sonia, and thank you.

Absolutely disgraceful that the Guardian/Observer are going after their top female writers, particularly women of colour.

It really stinks. Why are they allowing white men to attack and try to silence women of colour with impunity? Angry

Forcing out Suzanne was bad enough. If they were to force out Sonia as well, that would be clearly waging war against women.

Shameful. Angry

CuriousaboutSamphire · 10/07/2021 11:21

Greased piglet? 😁

One of us maybe?

I'll certainly be using it whenever appropriate.

Floisme · 10/07/2021 11:15

Hadley Freeman tweeted this morning that she's taking a sabbatical from the Guardian. She also said a few months ago that she's writing another book so it's probably wise not to read too much into the timing of this but hey I'm going to anyway...
I'm certainly going to miss her and those fab interviews.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 10/07/2021 11:14

OJ the greased piglet. That is uncanny

Grin
PurpleHoodie · 10/07/2021 11:07

Misogynistic champagne Socialist.

Lefty Gammon.

Such a shockingly, perfect fit.

MaudTheInvincible · 10/07/2021 11:00

Lefty gammon is a very accurate description!

PurpleHoodie · 10/07/2021 10:10
Grin

Are they calling him a Lefty Gammon?!

Wildgarlicpesto · 10/07/2021 10:02

Hilarious comment on the Spectator article.

They're desperate to keep hold of little Owen?

Well, he does resemble a greased piglet, so good luck to them.

PurpleHoodie · 10/07/2021 09:54

Yes. Bit of both Curious.

The former will most likely have not met real life UK women, so will have psychic/mental trauma coming up against women who tell them

"womenwontwheest"

"Sit down son"

"Get tae fuck"

"Ye' what? Shut up"

"Oh, no. No, no"

They have a mis-guided view women. Let alone women living 3000-5000+ miles away.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 10/07/2021 09:45

@PurpleHoodie

Is it a time-zone thing?

Do they blather from across the water?

Or are they up late n drunk?

Given some of their verbiage I suspect them's from across the Pond.

But, again from their blather, it's hard to tell. I think it was Steph(something) that poster utterly incoherent sentences.

PurpleHoodie · 10/07/2021 09:37

As a PP said, it's not that they disagree with my views, it's the fact that they are throwing good journalistic practices out of the window in service of an illogical and fundamentally dishonest ideology

Yes.

PurpleHoodie · 10/07/2021 09:36

C109k paid circulation.

That's pretty dire, yes?

Freespeecher · 10/07/2021 09:33

When I read the title I immediately assumed it was Hadley vs OJ. The fact that it's the middle of the road Sonia Sodha coming under fire should give both middle of the road staff and readers pause for thought.

PurpleHoodie · 10/07/2021 09:28

Is it a time-zone thing?

Do they blather from across the water?

Or are they up late n drunk?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 10/07/2021 09:24

@Alltheprettyseahorses

Has statsgeek replied to the wrong thread?
Form what I read of their overnight blathering, no.

They probably expect all of us to have read all they have written across a number if threads as one coherent utterance that we have inwardly digested.

IvyTwines2 · 10/07/2021 09:23

I think the Guardian is currently leading the Labour Party down the road to complete oblivion, which you'd hope might give them pause for thought, but apparently not. They're both coming across now like an SWP stand outside a tube station manned by a couple of shouty middle class students.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 10/07/2021 09:22

Cripes! We really.must learn when to stop. All that trying to maintain laws as they stand, to maintain safeguarding, the rights, dignity and safety if women and girls.

When will we stop demanding that men sort out their own issues and stop demanding women be their support humans?

Naughty wimmins!

PurpleHoodie · 10/07/2021 08:46

The Guardian silences women’s voices.

This is a very powerful point.

It is not simply just a case of "trans" issues.

highame · 10/07/2021 08:38

Nothing to base this in except a few comments in articles but, but, but, it appears a lot of the backlash is coming from admin and associated functions. Not just the Graun but other publishing organisations.

Someone up thread talked about decline in readership but the group is wholly owned by the Scott Trust Limited, which exists to secure the financial and editorial independence of The Guardian in perpetuity. The Group's 2018 annual report (year ending 1 April 2018) indicated that the Scott Trust Endowment Fund was valued at £1.01 billion (2017: £1.03bn). Partners, a venture capital firm, increased its share to become the sole shareholder in the business.

So the Independence of the Graun is protected, but it isn't protected from political infiltration by woke, or could this be a challenge?

Random789 · 10/07/2021 08:11

I've just gone ahead and cancelled my supporter status. The shock of losing my annual £49 will make them think hard.
There is a bit where you can state your reasons, so i summarised what I saw as instances of hostile and bad-faith treatment of gender critical views.

The sad thing is that I don't believe that I am losing much. If they can't report in good faith on this issue, or tolerate colleagues that have different views to their own, they aren't a team of journalists; they are a bunch of social media warriors too drunk on sanctimony to do their job.

Mibbiesaye · 10/07/2021 07:57

We should be grateful to statsgeek for always bumping multiple FWR threads!

PronounssheRa · 10/07/2021 07:50

@Alltheprettyseahorses

Has statsgeek replied to the wrong thread?
I did wonder because it's an odd post in a thread about a feminist woc potentially losing her job at the behest of a misogynistic white man.
Alltheprettyseahorses · 10/07/2021 07:38

Has statsgeek replied to the wrong thread?

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