Article about WiSpa incident *title edited by MNHQ*

This article feels a lot like the Jessica Yaniv situation in Canada, where initially the trans community was "Yayy, Jessica!" and then realized every single body waxing shop she filed suit against was owned by a minority female immigrant.

I have a Korean women-only spa in my city that I go to regularly. If someone with a erection showed up there and tried to touch me, first they'd draw back a bloody stump instead of a hand, and second I would absolutely call the police and get them arrested for assault.

Bernard

I'm bloody sick of men's transphobia - why can't they be accepting of gender non conforming males?

This.

Men. Accept gender non-conforming males in your spaces.

Bernards post deserves a whole FWR section of its own.

334bu

Obviously exposing your male genitalia to women and children is no big deal and leads to nothing worse. Try telling that to Sarah Everard's family, if her murderer had been charged in 2015 with indecent exposure, she might be alive today

Yes.

FloralBunting

Oh they've totally shat themselves that the open noncery didn't go over as well as they blinkeredly thought it would

Yes.

I'm bloody sick of men's transphobia - why can't they be accepting of gender non conforming males?

Thank you for editing the title.

The one class of people who shouldn't use the women's single sex spaces are women who want to use women's single sex spaces. They should use some other space if they are uncomfortable with male bodies strutting around.

That is the gist. You couldn't make it up.

Most women will just lie and say they are religious and those that are happy to be in a mixed space can do so.

person78

So many logic fails in this "article." Where even to begin?

Waving a penis around in a women's spa area is legal in California if the penis haver identifies as a transwoman. Why, therefore, would the absence of a police report indicate that the incident is fabricated? After all, the conduct complained about is 100% legal under California law.

Yes exactly.

I can't imagine any woman would risk reporting to the LAPD, they'd run the risk of being arrested for a hate crime of daring to complain about it. How very Gilead.

Reminds me of those countries where women who report rape, then get charged with having extra marital sex or being alone with males outside of her family

Actually, the article is a load of rubbish. But the heading of this thread is even lying about what is stated or claimed in the article. Nowhere does the LAPD makes statement that this was staged in the article.

The 'author' is a pseudonym. I'm not surprised, if you had to stand by the drivel propaganda in it.

So, to reiterate, the article is all spin. And the thread heading is stating a lie about what the spin says.

Because they don't like being excluded from any spaces and for some/many this is all about control. Telling women to put up and shut up.

I can't imagine any woman would risk reporting to the LAPD, they'd run the risk of being arrested for a hate crime of daring to complain about it. How very Gilead.

Obviously exposing your male genitalia to women and children is no big deal and leads to nothing worse. Try telling that to Sarah Everard's family, if her murderer had been charged in 2015 with indecent exposure, she might be alive today.

Yeah, with a 'fake news' title.

So basically this whole thread is a game of Knock-a-door-run?

Actually, @mnhq, could you edit the thread title as it so deceptive? Actually dishonest.

Shame the other thread was taken down.

But bloody unreal that we're supposed to believe 'it was all a hoax, nothing to see here, ladies, look at your charming empty little heads, move along...'

There is evidently still some tension between the "it doesn't happen" meme and its successor, the "it happens, it's no big deal, get used to it" position.

Criminy don't people know how to format a URL?

www.losangelesblade.com/2021/07/07/alleged-trans-incident-at-upscale-la-spa-may-have-been-staged/

Archived at;
archive.is/KBQHo

If the State gives men the legal right to self ID as women and use women only spaces, then why would the incident have been reported to the police?
The issue is that staff won't challenge a man in a women only space in case he identifies as a woman.
There is nothing women can do about this, and men will defend the decision.

Leaving it up provides an excellent opportunity to demonstrate the difference in behaviour between gender critical MNers and the sort of people who accuse us of transphobia.

It's weird that they are claiming this is a hoax and never happened, when this kind of incident is not at all rare. I have a friend from Portland who went to a female only nude Korean spa and she was chatted up and touched by a transwoman with an erection. This was a couple of years ago.

Thank you @DawnMumsnet
However, can you see the point we made here about why us being put on the naughty step and confining this discussion to this space is wrong?
You know there are people posting and joining in bad faith but we’re the ones that get pushed aside.

I don't want anyone to "hush the fuck up" particularly people like Sally, who talk such abject nonsense that they're a gift to our side.

Speaking of Sally Hines, I saw this from ger a few weeks ago.