Scot Gov seeking views on banning conversion therapy

Last day to submit your views!!! Please do so if you haven't. There are only three questions.

For Women Scotland have published their own submission, so it should be easy to pick out the main points and write your own.

If you are lesbian / gay / bisexual or have children who are, it's especially important to have your voices heard instead of the usual trans/queer lobby groups pushing gender identity and conflating it with sexual orientation.

forwomen.scot/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Conversion-Therapy-FWS-submission-12Aug2021.pdf

I wasn’t asked for a part-postcode? I can’t remember being asked anyway?! But I filled out in my own words just stating that I thought that this ban was confusing two distinctly different issues and that I wholeheartedly supported a ban on gay conversion but couldn’t support this proposal because it was confusing two issues.

I also said I thought conversion therapy of the sort practiced by religious groups, should of course be banned as it is abusive and immoral. Explorative and therapeutic approaches to help understand why a young person might be feeling such a self-loathing of their bodies and seeking an answer to their problems by becoming a different ‘sex’ to the one they were born, is very seldom an approach that comes from a place of ‘hate’. This should not be banned and should not be conflated with gay conversion therapy.

I also said that I hoped the results of this submission would be published.

I don't have an issue with banning conversion therapy. As long as there an equivalent ban on attempted conversions from "cis" or "questioning" or gay towards trans identities. And as long as there isn't a ban on exploration, understanding and psychological formulation.

submitted. In the what should Scot Gov do I put that they need to find out how prevalent conversion therapy is in Scotland first. Who is getting/ giving conversion therapy and where. It's all a bit nebulous. I'm not convinced there is much genuine conversion therapy going on. Find out what and where the problem is first.

Some pointers from For Women Scotland on responding to this consultation, deadline tomorrow

Scottish Government are looking for your views on their 'End Conversion Therapy' petition - closing date 13 August 2021.

Some points to raise include: not to conflate sexual orientation with transgender identity, approx 85-90% of children diagnosed with gender dysphoria desist so it is important not to affirm-only but allow for reconciliation with sexed body, clinicians at Tavistock have warned transitioning homosexual children is a form of conversion. The Committee should speak to FWS, LGB Alliance, detransitioners, and clinicians who have raised the alarm such as David Bell and Michael Biggs.
For more detailed information please see our submission to the Canadian Government on Conversion Therapy here.

mailchi.mp/e0887cf5b99c/demo-at-parliament-2nd-sept

They won't tackle 'conversion bullying' of young lesbians by TRAs telling them that they are men

Deadline to submit views on conversion therapy to the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee is this Friday (13 August).

You don't have to be in Scotland to send in a submission. It's crucial the committee receives views from a wide range of people instead of the usual handful of trans organisations.

You can use points from For Women Scotland's submission to the Canadian govt to write your own. Important to write in your own words as that has more impact than lots of the same generic ones being submitted.

forwomen.scot/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Federal-Bill-C-6-Submission-by-For-Women-Scotland.pdf

So conversion from in their words "cis" to "trans" never happens, then? That wouldn't be caught by new legislation?

According to NHS England, conversion therapy - sometimes called "reparative therapy" or "gay cure therapy" - tries to change someone's sexual orientation or gender identity.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-56496423

Note the shift in meaning, start with "gay cure therapy" or its synonymic phrase "reparative therapy" and then stating that it is when therapy is used to change someone's gender identity.

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Have completed. You don't seem to have to be from Scotland, although they do ask for a part postcode.

This:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58078582

This govt are lazy fucks, so it could jut be that. Or it could be embarrasing contents.

Phychiatry profession seems split on "trans-conversion"

By "and backs" I meant "and blocks".

You are quite right, nauticant.

"Conversion therapy" has been covered on the BBC a number of times. Every time, in terms of concrete examples, it is always gay conversion therapy, but when they discuss the scope of the harm "and gender identity" always gets tagged on. As many have said, it's a Trojan Horse.

A lot of the public hear the term "conversion therapy" and think it means trying to convert gay people to being straight, and think yes of course it should be banned.
But for TR activists, "conversion therapy" also includes conversion from trans to cis. This is hugely problematic because they potentially want to lump anything other than pure affirmation/encouragement of someone's trans status into the basket of attempted conversion.
But actually dysphoric children tend usually to desist from dysphoria over time - unless it is affirmed - and to grow up to be gay adults. So some might almost think that "affirmation" is the real conversion therapy.
If the government gets this wrong and backs moderate watch-and-wait approaches towards childhood dysphoria, the effects could be bad.

Just bumping this again - has anyone submitted a response to this? Deadline is 13 August. I'm not very clear about how these things work - is there value in individuals making a submission? The questions seem to be quite open ended and I'm not sure if I'm knowledgeable enough to do this, and a bit nervous about it being published! I can't see anything on For Women Scotland's website about this, I would have thought they would be responding to it.

Bump again ! It’s important to see what’s going on in Scotland

Bump!

And spent £1m on the hurty feeling Bill. Amazing.

Why has the Scottish government refused a FOI Request to see the responses they said they would publish?

mobile.twitter.com/WG_Scotland/status/1413067908310343683

Some people are trans

What does this mean?

Does it mean that some people have gender dysphoria? If so, that is undoubtedly true.

Is this a medical condition? If not, why does it require medical treatment? If it is a medical condition, wouldn't it be best to find a treatment with the minimum of pharmaceutical or surgical intervention? This minimally invasive treatment shouldn't be termed 'conversion therapy'.

Where are the results of the GRA consultation?

Conversion = change
Hormones = change
Surgery = change
Ban conversion

You know, Statsgeek, I shall surprise you and say although it's full of the usual hyperbole I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment of your post.

Yes, transgender people should have access to appropriate health care, of course.

But are you ignoring the huge numbers of detransitioners that are coming forward? It started as a trickle, but now there are more and more people, every day, coming forward saying that the treatment they had was not appropriate for them. With devastating consequences.

What do you think of Dr Steensma's report which led to puberty blockers being banned in Finland - he was one of the pioneers of the treatment so cannot be accused of transphobia.

It's as simple as saying that there needs to be a range of treatments for something that is obviously a lot more complex than a few little mantras.....