A boy in dd’s Guides Unit

That kind of 'men are unsafe too' is half right. But who are they being attacked by? (Clue: in the main, it's not women)
Plus we're not talking about being in the street and attacked by a random, or in the Bronx. We're talking about a group of children in a club in the UK. Being looked after by women they trust and who their parents have trusted into their care.

This is a feminist forum. We centre women, the risks to them and their safety and well being.

Street harassment, sexual harassment, sexual coercion, rape, sexual assault, #MeToo, etc. These are what women suffer at the hands of men. Men suffering from male violence do so in an entirely different way.

Women's boundaries are under widespread attack by men in a way mens simply aren't.

Pretending there is no difference between the offending or behaviour of women and men will impact women.

Male violence is a scourge for both sexes, but the issues for women and men aren't symmetrical.

Well, it depends on the barometer of how you judge safety. Donald Trump is probably less able to defend himself than a young black male from the Bronx, but he's also much less likely to experience police or gang violence.

If we're going to say that women are at higher risk or spousal murder due to the figures then it follows that men are at greater risk of attack by stranger. I don't say this to annoy anyone. It just baffles me when people use being a man as an example of the pinnacle of safety. I think it's because they apply it to their experience and aren't reply aware of how men are challenged and targeted by each other.

Safer than men how, exactly? Statistically, it might be the case that more men are victims of male violence than women, but the individual woman is generally going to be more vulnerable IF subject to male violence, because biology. Or are we meant to apologise and stop complaining about male assaults on women because men attack men too?
You can fuck right off with that one. But rest assured, mothers of young sons are as gut-sick worried for the safety of their children as are mothers of daughters.
Toxic masculinity. 'Everybody hates it, [some] men don't care.'

Well, it's just that I see so many women on here who go on about how unsafe it is for women to walk alone etc. How men just don't understand this. Always seemingly completely oblivious that they're much safer than men. This type of mentality comes from constant discussion and fixation about risk and danger.

I dont think you should teach your daughter to be afraid of boys, OP. She'll be a more balanced persin if she interacts with both genders.

I doubt she will be if she's taught to break down her barriers and accept those with penises into the places where she showers / undresses / sleeps on a girls residential holiday. Vulnerable to abuse yes. Balanced. Nah.

What’s that thing where a proper name becomes used as a generic-like hoover, or biro?
“Stonewall Law” is going to become the shorthand in years to come for inaccurate guidance based on wishing rather than legislation.

Sorry, haven't RTFT and this has probably already been said but

Meanwhile, the Brownie's parents are not aware that one of the Leaders is a self-ID transwoman, and one of the Brownies is a trans girl. Self i-d is not UK law and both of these are people are self id, including the child because most children under 18 are not allowed surgery or medication. Dereliction of duty - wide open to legal challenge

Its not a question of being afraid of boys. The males and females are kept separate on these residential events because it's a protection issue. So if male children are allowed in female sleeping quarters then there is no point in the protection rules.

Wanting / expecting certain spaces to be single sex isn't teaching girls to be afraid of boys.

I dont think you should teach your daughter to be afraid of boys, OP. She'll be a more balanced persin if she interacts with both genders.

And gender sometimes presents itself as early as minus five months. You know, when those tacky "gender reveal" parties take place to swathe the as-yet unborn child in either blue or pink and induct them into societies stereotypes as to how each sex should look and behave. Because that's what gender is, a collection of stereotypes and societal norms. Or was "sex" the word you were looking for?

The system has gone mad. There will be a disaster eventually. And the usual cop outs will be trotted out. Lessons will be learned. They never are.

It's not about fairness. Scouting and Girl Guiding are separate organisations and have chosen to have different rules.

Our local cubs and scouts is about 30% girls. So on that basis it would seem fair that a boy can go to Brownies if they want to?

There will be an "incident" at some point, and the shit really will hit the fan. I didn't want it to happen on my watch.

Exactly.

Except the whole point of safeguarding is that this doesn't happen as we've put the safeguards in place.

Idiots playing this down will have this currently hypothetical incident on their hands.

Are we pretending now that children can't tell the difference between males and females? If she wasn't sure she would probably say she didn't know if it was a girl or a boy. If she says it's a boy, it's a boy

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