A boy in dd’s Guides Unit

You are allowed to have women only groups. But including men who identify as women in that.

So what is the definition of "woman" in relation to these women only groups of which you speak?

Cubs and Scouts acknowledge to themselves that they are a mixed-sex organisation and have developed policies around that.

GG have more of a "the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing" approach and their policies (originally developed with the help of Aimee Challenor, child of David Challenor ), centre trans inclusion, not safeguarding.

An inquiry at the Green Party would later describe Aimee C as incapable of understanding safeguarding.

I am not sure that they have the established systems and controls in place to safeguard (natal) girls like scouts do.

In fact the ideology they're following requires that they do NOT install any such systems and controls, as to do so would be suggesting that males are not females. They have to pretend the males pose no threat to females.

(And woe betide any girl who dares complain about the behaviour of a male in such a climate.)

I am not sure that they have the established systems and controls in place to safeguard (natal) girls like scouts do.

I am a Guide leader. They absolutely have not.

I agree Gasp ultimately when we come down to it, I think most of the suspicion, aggression and violence to both boys and girls is linked with males.
The idea of a biological male identifying as female in a female space is frightening because of the danger of what that male might do.
If one group is the main perpetrator of physical and sexual violence their freedom to move freely in what was a previously female only environment will always cause uncertainty and fear.
Females are being constantly shouted down for being salient of that fact. If you were going to let a outside threat into your house then a puppy is much less of a risk than a tiger but apparently women are not allowed to acknowledge that either for ourselves or for our daughters.
Women’s rights are moving backwards at a terrifying rate and it is a change that is being organised by and a rhetoric voiced in the main by men. The obscene things that are said about women who even try and mention that fact terrifys me.
That is all without the new currency of naked pictures expected from teenage girls by young boys today, the choking and violence sexual culture and hate language among teenage boys. The access and prevalence of hardcore porn that young boys are growing up watching.
The world for young women has become a much darker place.

@tempester28

Your point has been covered up thread, the difference is that Cubs and scouts are openly mixed sex and have systems and rules in place to deal with being mixed sex.

GG is just for girls, except they have, erm, widened the definition of girls to include boys. I am not sure that they have the established systems and controls in place to safeguard (natal) girls like scouts do.

To be fair Hilary Benn is an exception

I wouldn't worry about it. Cubs and scouts are boys and girls and there were no issues even for residential trips.

Back to OP's original question. First I would see for myself by briefly attending the meeting. Then I would contact the leader to say you were surprised to find a boy in the unit, explaining that you thought it was a girls only organization. No need to be confrontational, but just asking for information. You don't need to use the word "trans" as it is irrelevant. If they lie and tell you there are no boys in the unit, you know where you stand and can make decisions accordingly.

If organizations are "pretending", we should make them say it out loud and not just pussy foot around the issue. By contacting the leaders you also put them on notice in the nicest possible way that you are aware of what is going on.

I fear that would probably spell the end of GranblesofGranbledon. She's delicate these days.

I'm with you 100%

I never tried to access boys' spaces and I grew out of the phase quite easily as a teenager because my parents were sensible. They did not call me John and they never told me I was anything other than a girl. Other than that they just let me get on with it.

Nowadays they'd probably have social work at their door for such abuse.

Please tell me, Grombles that you have introduced your granny to Ru Paul's Drag Race.

Grombles
I was just citing a very different experience also although you pretended that you were a boy and called yourself John you didn’t try and use the boys side of the playground and enjoyed having separate areas from the boys. So you may have dressed as a boy but you didn’t want to use boys toilets and play in their playground. You wanted to be with the girls and use the facilities provided for them.
The single sex spaces that are so readily available for women are the ones that can now be used by men and boys identifying as female and everything seems to be set up to allow that to happen. It has ceased to be about acceptance and give and take it seems as if female boundaries that provided safety for our female children are being eroded and to even suggest that that should be questioned or monitored is outrageous

Crowdfunder time! For Grombles' granny! New HD tv and a trip to Barnard Castle to test her eyesight!^

Granbles.

Maybe she's just ahead of the curve for her generation and very accepting of gender fluidity.

Crowdfunder time! For Grombles' granny! New HD tv and a trip to Barnard Castle to test her eyesight!

She thinks Lily Savage is a woman too.

She's not very bright my wee granny.

Grombles

Is it possible your granny has a cunning plan™️ to persuade you into getting her a new HD TV?

Tangentially, why is that programme not cancelled yet for transphobia?

Sorry, Grombles!

Oi you lot! Stop calling me Grumbles!

...Grumbles to self in the corner...

Can I share the story of how my wee granny thinks Mrs Brown is really a woman?

It's already been explained that this thread has come up on trending/active.

Anyone can post.

Elsewhere on FWR, posters are complaining that a thread has been moved from AIBU, thus reducing the audience. So the fact that this one seems to to have attracted a wider audience is a good thing surely.