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Stephanie Barrett representing Canada

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NancyDrawed · 07/07/2021 09:09

Such an inspirational story.

Started archery at the age of 37. Is representing Canada in the Olympics in Archery at the age of 42. How lucky that Stephanie just happens to have an Olympic level talent for archery. I wonder what it is that sets this athlete apart from the much younger women in the category, apart from their height?

olympic.ca/team-canada/stephanie-barrett/?fbclid=IwAR3KuaiAwauCilPrpnVPJnHI1EnL8_r_8ZVv32kWBdrw4U0Q6nXL0O4ZUoE

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FannyCann · 11/07/2021 12:48

Your deleted post was where you @ me @Betty91 saying my suggestion of alternative medal ceremony for women who missed out was a good idea. I think you also suggested a list of women who missed out. And did you include an address to write to? I can't quite remember but I know you @ ed me and that was the post. I have no idea why it should have been deleted. Maybe I'll be next.

Saving a screenshot of this post.

Betty91 · 11/07/2021 12:24

Oh I'm being reported and had a post deleted..what the hell was that for ... Confused

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 11/07/2021 12:19

You would wonder Betty

“A particular micro expression a person will display that betrays a sense of enjoyment they are getting out of controlling and deceiving another person” ✅

“It is a very important expression to watch out for in catching dishonesty in a person” ✅

In fact it is a form of body language pretty much exclusively reserved for pathological character types such as psychopaths -

The definition of psychopath - “ The term “psychopath” is used to describe someone who is callous, unemotional, and morally depraved”

Nailing callous and morally depraved. ✅ ✅

Betty91 · 11/07/2021 12:08

@SheldonesqueTheBstard

I watched that and wished I had not.

The smug grin almost killed me.

That is a grin of someone who could not cut it with their peers. So chose to make the most of it to compete with those who have a physical disadvantage.

Take the shame.

I wonder if that smile is Duper's Delight or Duping delight

"Duping delight is a particular micro expression a person will display that betrays a sense of enjoyment they are getting out of controlling and deceiving another person. It is a very important expression to watch out for in catching dishonesty in a person. In fact it is a form of body language pretty much exclusively reserved for pathological character types such as psychopaths."

Betty91 · 11/07/2021 12:02

Indeed - entire section of their website devoted to doping and unfair advantage.

IOC fight against doping

Here's a link to their promotion for women in sport...

Women in Sport IOC commission statement

This from their website "The role of the Women in Sport Commission is to advise the IOC Session, the IOC Executive Board and the IOC President on the development and implementation of the IOC women and sport policy and to promote equal opportunities for girls and women to participate in, and benefit from sport and physical activity."

They've got a nerve.... anyway useful to quote directly from their website if you're writing to them.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 11/07/2021 11:50

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Mn753 · 11/07/2021 11:43

How much money and time go into drugs testing for a tiny percentage advantage.

Betty91 · 11/07/2021 11:41

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Mulletsaremisunderstood · 10/07/2021 16:44

Another one Angry, I guess this is something else for the file marked 'it will never happen'!

Just had a look at 'her' bio... Graduated from Seneca College in 2003 with an honours diploma in Computer Programming & Analysis with a dual specialization in Software and Internet Development

What is it with software developers?? There's definitely a trend.

Also from the bio - Favourite mottos: “Be the person you needed” / “Steady. Strong. True”

Hmm True? Seriously? Like the 'truth' of pretending you're something that you're not. Excuse me while I puke!

BTW, gotta love that receding hairline Grin.

Runningupthecurtains · 10/07/2021 16:16

I bloody love the "Robbinghood" comment.

borntobequiet · 10/07/2021 08:41

Being generally fit and healthy and having an inbuilt talent and really enjoying a sport does mean, that for some sports, you can be reasonably successful even if you take it up at a later age. Some more niche sports have fewer competitors so you can go further, and obviously you need the wherewithal to train properly. I took up a sport in my late 30s and did very well against younger women despite lacking in one major characteristic (height, in this case) until my mid 40s when the onset of perimenopause seriously affected me.
However, for a man to take up a sport later in life and compete against women is cheating, pure and simple, trans or otherwise.

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 09/07/2021 23:56

I watched that and wished I had not.

The smug grin almost killed me.

That is a grin of someone who could not cut it with their peers. So chose to make the most of it to compete with those who have a physical disadvantage.

Take the shame.

Tigger85 · 09/07/2021 23:43

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/another-man-steals-a-womans-place

m.youtube.com/watch?v=lfYIAAuITWg

First link is an article talking about how people on kiwi farms found out that Stephanie is a transwoman, second is a recent video of Stephanie in action during qualifying, note all the comments on the video are people calling out how unfair it is that Stephanie has taken the space of a born female. The woman she is competing against in the video is Tania Edwards. Tania is the woman who lost her space on the Olympic team to Stephanie. She is a mother of two and like Stephanie came to archery a bit later in life starting in 2015, she is currently 49 years old and previously did well in age group and masters swimming.

Congressdingo · 09/07/2021 23:27

@Betty91

We should all send a "in sympathy" card to the IOC - dedicated to women's sport. They are ridiculous. Imagine thinking a man with adjusted hormones is a woman. Advantage / disadvantage doesn't matter. We have sport categories and sex category should be exactly that - not a adjusted hormone category with added dose of "what my feelings are"
I love this idea. More than happy to do this. Do we have an address? A person to name on the card.
FannyCann · 09/07/2021 23:02

I wish someone would organise an alternative medals ceremony just before the closing ceremony for all those women who have been bumped down the placings by a man to be awarded the appropriate medals with a big XX on them.

Betty91 · 09/07/2021 16:58

We should all send a "in sympathy" card to the IOC - dedicated to women's sport. They are ridiculous. Imagine thinking a man with adjusted hormones is a woman. Advantage / disadvantage doesn't matter. We have sport categories and sex category should be exactly that - not a adjusted hormone category with added dose of "what my feelings are"

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 09/07/2021 13:08

@SheldonesqueTheBstard

And mental strength would no doubt be given an unique boost knowing they have a strong likelihood of winning every time they compete against women.
A little like a blend of the Patronus spell and the Felix Felicis potion?

And there's also the remarkable fortune of being less apprehensive around injuries occurring within cyclical hormonal patterns and greater confidence in recovery from any injuries.

AlfonsoTheMango · 09/07/2021 11:08

@TheLovleyChebbyMcGee

From reading her bio she's clearly a sporty person, I have friends like that, can turn her hand to any sport and be good after a short time, obvs not on this scale.

However, I think archery is a skill, and you either have it or you don't. Yes you can improve with time, but you cant take a person who is rubbish and have them become outstanding with training and coaching. Good luck to her!

I don't understand the comments about 'ambiguious women' though. Are you saying she's a trans woman? I don't see any evidence of that anywhere.

Not everything has to be about trans rights though.

Oh right, well it doesn't change what I said before, best of luck to her!

Are you saying she's a trans woman? I don't see any evidence of that anywhere.

Not everything has to be about trans rights though.

@TheLovleyChebbyMcGee - It doesn't change what you said? Although Stephanie is trans? And if it's not about trans rights, whose rights is it about?

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 09/07/2021 10:58

And mental strength would no doubt be given an unique boost knowing they have a strong likelihood of winning every time they compete against women.

Runningupthecurtains · 09/07/2021 09:55

Ahh Barrett is successful because of their mental strength, but surely as a TW they have a "laydee brain" and get distracted by thoughts of kittens and cupcakes? Bollox, they have male privilege, male physical advantages, male entitlement. They have not had the dilemma that female athletes face if they want children do they wait until their career is over and their fertility may be waining? Do they miss at least a year of competition and take the plummet down the rankings/loss of place in the team that results? Women are different to men, they have different challenges. Men declaring themselves to be women do not have those same challenges are therefore should not be competing as women.

ApplesinmyPocket · 09/07/2021 09:15

This is where language is so important - we need not to lose the right to use clear words (it's no accident that TRAs fight to control language the way they do.)

Z is the first transgender woman to win a women's professional tournament...

........ translated back becomes:

Z is the first male to win a women's professional tournament

.. which, being the reality of it, would wake a few people up from the unthinking trance 'woke language' has cast over the world!

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 09/07/2021 09:03

The articles crediting “really good coaches” and “dedicating a lot of time” as being the keys to this late in life success are making me furious

I wonder if that's the story somebody in that position have to narrate to (self?) justify doing something that might otherwise give both the narrator and the audience moral qualms?

WomaninBoots · 09/07/2021 08:48

Because you've got to dig to find the info that this is a trans woman. And investigative journalism no longer exists.

chickenyhead · 09/07/2021 06:44

Excuse my ignorance, why isn't this headline news too?

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