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#RepealTheGRA apparently 'hails from the right

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TheShadowyFeminist · 06/07/2021 13:55

Tweet by Ruth Serwotka

Does this have any basis in fact? I know plenty who think the GRA should be repealed. None have been right wing, ring leaning, aligned with the right or even come close to what Ruth states here.

This tweet is a flavour of what I've seen. And I think the sentiment is fairly accurate IMO.

What do others think? Do you think the GRA should be repealed? Are you or have you ever been, right wing, right leaning, right adjacent or meet the description Ruth has for women who have said the GRA should be repealed?

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/07/2021 08:22

I know Grin

Datun · 09/07/2021 08:22

Oh that's genius Ereshkigalangcleg.

What was that about men's greatest fear is that women will laugh at them?

Don't send a cock pic to J. K. Rowling, in that case.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/07/2021 08:19

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1280189282913787907?s=20

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/07/2021 08:15

YY Datun. The DARVO shocked even me.

Datun · 09/07/2021 08:14

@Ereshkigalangcleg

It also reminds me that JKR was criticised by TRAs online because she said she wasn't going to do anything about the pics of male genitals that some of them left on her Twitter feed where children were posting their drawings of her Ickabog children's book. So essentially males posted these pictures where children could see and then berated her for not doing anything about it, because she made light of it.

She did make some good responses, even saying that she would publish a coffee table book and give ratings out of 10 Grin

I didn't know that. That woman is very clever.

So the men sent penis pics to be intimidating, and then when it doesn't work and she refuses to delete them, they get annoyed.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/07/2021 08:11

It also reminds me that JKR was criticised by TRAs online because she said she wasn't going to do anything about the pics of male genitals that some of them left on her Twitter feed where children were posting their drawings of her Ickabog children's book. So essentially males posted these pictures where children could see and then berated her for not doing anything about it, because she made light of it.

She did make some good responses, even saying that she would publish a coffee table book and give ratings out of 10 Grin

Datun · 09/07/2021 08:07

It's just so bizarre. Because the thing is, this isn't going away. It's been campaigned for deliberately.

It's going to keep happening. Women are going to keep complaining. They're going to be uploading the outrage.

Pretending you can't see it is a bat shit argument, even by TRA standards.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/07/2021 08:04

Exactly the same thing happened with Maria McLachlan's assault by TRAs at Speakers Corner.

OvaHere · 09/07/2021 07:57

@ConcernedNineteen

I'm not convinced we've watched the same video or that you've watched it at all.

There were multiple women and girls who had left the Spa area and were in the lobby area with robes. As well as the black woman who made the video there was another woman who could be seen demanding her money back.

As others have said the Spa are unconcerned because they have the law on their side. California has made indecent exposure and voyeurism even around minors, legal.

There was mother from a previous incident at Wi Spa (seems to be a regular occurrence) who did try to raise attention to it. She went the police who were dismissive and victim blaming.

4w.pub/exclusive-interview-with-wi-spa-mother/

She joined the protest and was intimidated by anti women activists.

She made a video and a twitter account and was suspended because Twitter is the personal playground of males who like masturbate in bathrooms, not mothers who want to expose a violation of them and their daughter.

What more would you like women to do to draw attention to what is happening? Bearing in mind they are dismissed, attacked, called bad mothers and liars and the cops aren't interested because misogynistic policy has made it all legal.

NonnyMouse1337 · 09/07/2021 01:44

Gender zealots have been pushing their deranged ideas on everyone and are now lecturing women because everyone else (including those that generally hate feminists) have had enough of this shit. 😂

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/07/2021 01:11

The next paragraph of Andrea Dworkin's famous quote is particularly poignant in the context of this thread.

Feminism is a political practice of fighting male supremacy in behalf of women as a class, including all the women you don't like, including all the women you don't want to be around, including all the women who used to be your best friends whom you don't want anything to do with anymore. It doesn't matter who the individual women are. They all have the same vulnerability to rape, to battery, as children to incest. Poorer women have more vulnerability to prostitution, which is basically a form of sexual exploitation that is intolerable in an egalitarian society, which is the society we are fighting for.

Andrea Dworkin

Datun · 09/07/2021 00:38

Pretty certain filming it would be an offence. At least here. And sharing it online would be another offence.

You cant just film people's genitals willy, er, nilly.

yourhairiswinterfire · 09/07/2021 00:35

also, none of the workers seem remotely worried, even though if this were true, this would be a massive safeguarding issue that would cost them their jobs and could easily shut down the spa

They weren't worried because it's perfectly legal there now for males to be in women only spaces, even places where there's nudity and children.

Probably more worried about the backlash they'd receive if they'd told the flasher to get out...

Everyone talking about evidence. You really expect a woman to start filming someone like that and risk her own safety further? Film in a place where there are children undressed?

And even if she had filmed it, she'd still be in the wrong, then she would be 'the creep' and everyone would focus on that instead of on the fact that a creep got his dick out in front of children Hmm

Women don't need to lie about this shit because this has happened numerous times and the offenders have handily posted the evidence themselves. Like the one posing with an erection in a women's refuge, like the videos of males masturbating in women's toilets with little girls in earshot.

Predators are taking advantage, just like we said they would. This is the result of demanding that we accept that anyone is whoever they say they are.

Datun · 09/07/2021 00:35

@chickenyhead

There are quoted statements by the spa manager and staff in some reports. Whilst the video doesn't show the transwoman or their genitals, there isn't evidence it is fake.

If that was my business and this was fake I WOULD BE SCREAMING IT

Exactly.
Datun · 09/07/2021 00:34

I mean what would even be the point of a hoax?

Look at this awful thing that's happened. Which is completely legal and has been fought for by transactivists and will continue to happen. So this is just the first video of many. Stand by.

Or look at this awful thing that's happened which is completely legal and has been fought for by transactivists but will never happen again because they've seen the error of they ways and now frown on it.

At least let's have a reason why this women pretended to see something that TRAs have been openly campaigning for for decades.

JellySlice · 09/07/2021 00:31

Neat derail by ConcernedNineteen.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/07/2021 00:30

I believe victims. the woman in that video was not, and does not claim to be a victim, and there is no actual evidence that there was a victim, a victimiser, or an incident.

Yes there is. That's the whole point of "I believe victims". Her testimony as a woman who was flashed at in a spa.

twitter.com/msediewyatt/status/1413007992484601864?s=20

chickenyhead · 09/07/2021 00:27

There are quoted statements by the spa manager and staff in some reports. Whilst the video doesn't show the transwoman or their genitals, there isn't evidence it is fake.

If that was my business and this was fake I WOULD BE SCREAMING IT

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/07/2021 00:24

also, none of the workers seem remotely worried, even though if this were true, this would be a massive safeguarding issue that would cost them their jobs and could easily shut down the spa.

It's legal. The spa is not going to get shut down and they know it. As has come out since, they've had previous complaints, and they know it won't get the spa shut down.

there's also the fact that, importantly, none of the other guests seem remotely concerned about this supposed predator, suggesting that they think it's bullshit too.

What video did you watch? There is a crowd of distressed women behind her who look like they've departed the spa area in a hurry.

FloralBunting · 09/07/2021 00:21

'I believe victims, but only if they meet my arbitrary set of conditions.'

Women, eh? Can't trust 'em to tell the truth.

I mean, it's like reading Sandyhook and 9/11 conspiracy theorists. Contemptible batshittery.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/07/2021 00:19

We're not taking instructions from the far-left thanks. Especially not people who accuse women of lying about witnessing inappropriate sex behaviour. No-one in that video thought it was a random accusation. The staff member didn't say, 'what are you talking about? We haven't sold a ticket for the female area to a male today', and that bloke who lectured her totally believed that it had happened. There is a crowd of women behind her who have clearly piled out of the room in a hurry, and they aren't confusedly saying, 'wha? There was no penis', either.

And suppose for a second that it was a hoax, as you assert with zero evidence? Is lambasting a woman for her complaint, and gathering protestors to support male people's purported right to show their penis and testicles to little girls at all reasonable way to react to such an allegation?

Why would you claim it was a hoax, when you also don't have a problem with such a thing happening? Make up your mind!

You mention Spain. Did you notice the female politician being hung in effigy by trans activists?

A life size effigy of a woman hangs by a noose in the pilgrimage city of Santiago de Compostela, home to a tribunal of the Spanish Inquisition. The painted mask identifies her, and her heresy is displayed through the Sambenito, the symbolic cloth of penance and humiliation, she wears.

She is Carmen Calvo, the Deputy Prime Minister of Spain. Democratically elected polictician. Socialist. Feminist. Woman.

She was executed in effigy during the early hours of the Feb 20, 2021 however the gruesome tradition dates back to the public execution of heretics during the Spanish Inquisition.

Carmen Calvo is a 21st century gender identity heretic. She hangs from a tree in the Plaza 8 de Marzo, the square where local feminists celebrate International Women's day.

Continues: iseult.substack.com/p/execution-in-effigy-a-very-chilling

Datun · 09/07/2021 00:12

I'm asking for ANY evidence.
cause the video is one woman going up to reception and complaining about a flasher. specifically, she's complaining about somebody who allegedly exposed himself to another woman and her daughter. now, I don't know about you, but I'd wager most mothers would raise HELL if that happened to their little girl, and yet there is no (rightfully) furious woman in that clip, or afterwards. also, none of the workers seem remotely worried, even though if this were true, this would be a massive safeguarding issue that would cost them their jobs and could easily shut down the spa. there's also the fact that, importantly, none of the other guests seem remotely concerned about this supposed predator, suggesting that they think it's bullshit too. so, ultimately, it's one woman having gone up to the front desk of a spa, complaining about an unknown, unseen man having exposed himself to an unknown, unseen woman and her unknown, unseen daughter.

I believe victims. the woman in that video was not, and does not claim to be a victim, and there is no actual evidence that there was a victim, a victimiser, or an incident.

Because it's completely legal.

That woman would be an Oscar-winning actress if she was acting. There are other women with wet hair in bathrobes, one asking for their money back. They are intimidated and upset. That's what happens when you're confronted by someone bigger and stronger who has no hesitation in violating your privacy. Its bloody scary.

And, they quickly realise there's probably fuck all they can do about it because it's legal.

The woman was clearly under the impression that transgender people have had genital surgery. It's come as a shock to her to find out they haven't.

As it does to almost everybody.

Wildgarlicpesto · 09/07/2021 00:12

I was watching Noam Chomsky earlier where he was saying that the only way to improve the lives of the poorest Americans was for the left to persuade moderate republicans of the need to do this, as has been the case in major shifts in the 1930s and 1960s. There's no hope of that when the left insist on dividing the left and alienating everyone.

ConcernedNineteen · 09/07/2021 00:06

@OvaHere

So women should just shut up about things that happen to them in case other people share the video?

There's plenty of evidence that the Wi Spa has had this issue going back a few years. I guess #metoo and #believewomen is no longer a thing anymore for many on the left.

I'm not sure what evidence would be good enough for you? If the woman had videoed the male person with his penis out in the female spa as absolute proof you'd all be calling her a pervert and demanding she be arrested.

As I said on another thread this obscenely high burden of proof now expected of women and girls who have been violated is very Sharia like.

I'm asking for ANY evidence. cause the video is one woman going up to reception and complaining about a flasher. specifically, she's complaining about somebody who allegedly exposed himself to another woman and her daughter. now, I don't know about you, but I'd wager most mothers would raise HELL if that happened to their little girl, and yet there is no (rightfully) furious woman in that clip, or afterwards. also, none of the workers seem remotely worried, even though if this were true, this would be a massive safeguarding issue that would cost them their jobs and could easily shut down the spa. there's also the fact that, importantly, none of the other guests seem remotely concerned about this supposed predator, suggesting that they think it's bullshit too. so, ultimately, it's one woman having gone up to the front desk of a spa, complaining about an unknown, unseen man having exposed himself to an unknown, unseen woman and her unknown, unseen daughter. I believe victims. the woman in that video was not, and does not claim to be a victim, and there is no actual evidence that there was a victim, a victimiser, or an incident.
TinselAngel · 08/07/2021 23:52

@ConcernedNineteen

you're describing it as a toxic ex, as opposed to other people asking you not to partner with far-right sexists who want to roll back gay and women's rights (like, again, Spain with the Feminist party and the Vox party) or self-described neo-nazis who want to kill all the gays (like the recent Wi Spa hoax that led to a trans ally counter-protestor being attacked with a lead pipe by a Proud Boy).
I'm not in the USA or Spain, so I'm not sure how that works.