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Emma Corrin daily mail

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Aprilinspringtimeshower · 06/07/2021 13:43

Has anyone seen this- the photo certainly seem to glamourise chest binding. I’m really shocked even allowing for it being daily Mail- how do you get them to take down pictures
www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9758967/Emma-Corrin-recalls-buying-binder-details-intimate-journey.html

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postcardhell · 09/07/2021 09:47

I don’t buy that anyone has a healthy relationship with food

Really? She doesn't sound like someone with a very wide experience of life or a varied social circle.

I know a few people who have eating disorders, and a lot more who are endlessly dieting or researching different types of eating or who overeat for various reasons. But I also know a very large number of people who just eat a reasonable quantity of reasonably healthy food, which they enjoy while they're eating it, but don't have 'a relationship' with it. I don't think those people are at all unusual.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 09/07/2021 03:21

The Independent is now carrying the story if people don't want to click on the DM link
www.independent.co.uk/life-style/emma-corrin-binder-instagram-pronouns-b1879493.html

HecatesCatsInFancyHats · 08/07/2021 19:47

She's thinspo by another name

Yes. Mainly she's just another woman who doesn't like her body and doesn't like the expectations society places on her because of her body. Welcome to the club.

Realista · 07/07/2021 11:39

It’ll be interesting to know how much her Instagram following has gone up by, since that photo.

It’s got a lot more likes than her other recent photos, bar the one with Harry Styles in.

Helleofabore · 07/07/2021 11:20

[quote Realista]@Peoniesandpeaches
As Emma Corrin is an Instagram user and is non-binary (going by references she made in that post), she’ll be well aware that there is a HUGE amount of stuff about being trans and how to be trans on Instagram. And that many of the accounts interested in this are under 18s. It could be said to be a breeding ground. My friend’s early teen DD became trans in lockdown and a huge influence on her for that was Instagram. She binds and found out about it from IG.[/quote]
Exactly.

I watched this in action myself. A whole group of them.

Summerleaves · 07/07/2021 11:20

There are tons of 'squeeee' type fan accounts for her on Twitter etc

She should know she's a magnet for teen girls.

She's thinspo by another name

Helleofabore · 07/07/2021 11:17

Peoniesandpeaches

And yet she is well known amongst my teens group- all on Instagram. They are children still.

And her photos are on mainstream media.

Again. Do what you want with your body. This person is glamorizing binding and it is being seen by teens. That is what this entire thread is about.

Realista · 07/07/2021 11:14

@Peoniesandpeaches
As Emma Corrin is an Instagram user and is non-binary (going by references she made in that post), she’ll be well aware that there is a HUGE amount of stuff about being trans and how to be trans on Instagram. And that many of the accounts interested in this are under 18s. It could be said to be a breeding ground. My friend’s early teen DD became trans in lockdown and a huge influence on her for that was Instagram. She binds and found out about it from IG.

NiceGerbil · 07/07/2021 11:12

'. I wouldn’t be stupid enough to sleep in one, go to the gym or conduct manual labor in one '

So those who do are stupid? That's a lovely sentiment.

Of course this is about girls. You don't think images like this get around? Especially amongst girls who share or seek out things about binding.

Plenty of schoolgirls bind. That's the whole point. If adults want to do whatever then it's not great but up to them.

The rise of this practice amongst girls is a problem.

Just brushing it off may make you feel better but it doesn't help anything does it.

I've not seen the crown btw. It sounds like the sort of thing secondary school girls might watch with their families? Or is it full of explicit sex. I have no idea tbh

Peoniesandpeaches · 07/07/2021 11:03

Yes I am an adult as is Emma Corrin. Nowhere in her post did she advocate it for children. I doubt children are the target audience for the Crown or clearly her rather adult Instagram.

Helleofabore · 07/07/2021 10:51

And I assume you are an adult and not a school child needing to participate in PE, walk to and from school carrying a heavy backpack and all the other activities my 15 year old is required to do.

I cannot believe people write the potential damage off as ‘just like a ill fitting bra’ or ‘wearing a sports bra’. When a child’s charity needs to put out warnings in summer so children don’t suffer breathing issues and other heat related illnesses caused by wearing a binder, do you not think that there is something wrong ? No bra charity needs to do that.

We have PE teachers on threads about this saying that the girls can’t do PE with binders, and then posters (yesterday) saying that is ok, maybe those girls don’t want to do PE anyway, as if it is acceptable.

What you and your partner choose for your bodies is absolutely your business. Please stop saying this is ok for growing children to see as harmless and normalized.

Peoniesandpeaches · 07/07/2021 10:30

@Helleofabore

Two studies have been completed that focus specifically on people who bind. They were cross-sectional studies, observing a specific population (people who chest bind) at a specific point in time, and were published in 2017 and 2018. Both of these studies are based on data from 1,800 responders to an online survey.

Across both studies, the majority of people (89-97%) reported experiencing at least one negative symptom from chest binding (2,3).

Common side effects of chest binding
76-78% of people in studies reported skin/tissue problems, like tenderness, scarring, swelling, itching, infections
74-75% of people reported pain in chest, shoulders, back or abdomen
51-52% of people reported respiratory problems (like shortness of breath)
47-49% of people reported musculoskeletal symptoms, like postural changes, muscle wasting, or rib fractures

helloclue.com/articles/cycle-a-z/chest-binding-tips-and-tricks-for-trans-men-nonbinary-and-genderfluid

Yes. Just like a badly fitting bra.

Please stop minimizing the harm these binders do to young female bodies. 50% of bra wearers would not experience musculoskeletal symptoms, like postural changes, muscle wasting, or rib fractures.

I agree that better studies are desperately needed. For the meantime, what purpose do you have to continue to dismiss the risk for children wearing a binder knowing that it has this degree of harm?

Postural changes are absolutely possible with ill fitting bras along with, cuts, sores, PGD and a host of other issues. I’ve read the studies and in fact saw the questionnaire at the time for 1 of them. They are deeply flawed self reports that didn’t ascertain anywhere the level of information needed and relied on informants deciding whether their issues were related to binding. Also who was suggesting I advocate this for children? My non trans partner binds and wanting to see what it was like I’ve tried it. I wouldn’t be stupid enough to sleep in one, go to the gym or conduct manual labor in one but after trying several it was no more uncomfortable than wearing a sports bra.
BreatheAndFocus · 07/07/2021 09:41

‘Queer’ means whatever you want it to. Often it’s simply a fashion statement “Look! I’m a girl I’m wearing a ‘boys’’ plaid shirt - I’m queer AF!”.

It’s a great way to join in all the glittery rainbow stuff without actually being gay or bi 🙄

As for Emma Corrin, I think she dug up some old photos that she thought were ‘edgy’ and utilised them now because she is thinking of coming out as NB (or already has - I don’t follow her). She looks very thin.

Wearing ‘boys’ clothes and then binding your breasts so you look more like a boy is the opposite of GNC to me. Being GNC would be being obviously female with breasts, and wearing the ‘boys’ clothes.

There are people with GD and people for whom this ‘trans’ thing is a fad. But ‘queer’ allows the faddists to appropriate transness and/or homosexuality. Apparently, that’s all fine - whereas I find it bloody offensive.

Realista · 07/07/2021 07:56

I just saw an article on this in The Telegraph and came on here looking for a thread.

I’m quite shocked, but I don’t know why really. And dismayed. Breasts shouldn’t be bound.

HappydaysArehere · 07/07/2021 07:46

Self publicity I should think. Look at me and what I am doing.

NashvilleQueen · 07/07/2021 07:44

A genuine question from me pls. What does queer mean in the LGBTQ context? Is it simply same sex/gender attracted (ie homosexual) or does it have a different definition?

I've seen lots of older gay men on SM sites saying they spent years hating and fearing that word being used against them and they don't care to use it about themselves now. Is the current usage borne out of wanting to reclaim a word previously used as an insult by younger people?

Helleofabore · 07/07/2021 06:54

Yes. Just like a badly fitting bra.

That was sarcasm by the way.

This is NOT like wearing a badly fitting bra.

Helleofabore · 07/07/2021 06:52

Two studies have been completed that focus specifically on people who bind. They were cross-sectional studies, observing a specific population (people who chest bind) at a specific point in time, and were published in 2017 and 2018. Both of these studies are based on data from 1,800 responders to an online survey.

Across both studies, the majority of people (89-97%) reported experiencing at least one negative symptom from chest binding (2,3).

Common side effects of chest binding
76-78% of people in studies reported skin/tissue problems, like tenderness, scarring, swelling, itching, infections
74-75% of people reported pain in chest, shoulders, back or abdomen
51-52% of people reported respiratory problems (like shortness of breath)
47-49% of people reported musculoskeletal symptoms, like postural changes, muscle wasting, or rib fractures

helloclue.com/articles/cycle-a-z/chest-binding-tips-and-tricks-for-trans-men-nonbinary-and-genderfluid

Yes. Just like a badly fitting bra.

Please stop minimizing the harm these binders do to young female bodies. 50% of bra wearers would not experience musculoskeletal symptoms, like postural changes, muscle wasting, or rib fractures.

I agree that better studies are desperately needed. For the meantime, what purpose do you have to continue to dismiss the risk for children wearing a binder knowing that it has this degree of harm?

WeeTorag · 07/07/2021 06:44

@Rhannion

Intimate journey my arse! All over instagram isn’t intimate. Irresponsible , attention seeking dangerous behaviour.
Exactly. I've put this story on my FB timeline and it's provoked a lot of comments from many who normally stay quiet. I'm so annoyed she's advertising a piece of clothing which aids self harm. And all the sycophantic comments on her Instagram! What's wrong with people? There's a peak going on though.
Peoniesandpeaches · 07/07/2021 06:39

@NiceGerbil

Massively into harm reduction.

That statement admits this practice can be harmful.
And that the company you approve of reduces harm. Not removes it.

Think about what you're saying, in other words.

No it admits it could potentially be harmful. There haven’t been any proper studies into it and so they advocate sensible advice like wash after use like you would any intimate wear and wear a size that is comfortable don’t try to size down. Bras if they don’t fit properly have the potential to cause a lot of issues but we don’t lambaste companies for writing guidance on fitting or wearing them.
AnyOldPrion · 07/07/2021 03:36

do you think reading about homosexuality influences others to be gay?

Evidence suggests that people with dementia maintain their sexuality, whereas some of those who have transitioned forget they have done so and become distressed by wearing the clothes of the opposite sex? I think comparing these two things, as if there’s some kind of significance, needs to stop.

Helleofabore · 07/07/2021 03:33

@MolyHolyGuacamole

same sort of thing thinspo does for anorexic people
  • Anorexic people are ill.

Influence young girls to do the same?

  • do you think reading about homosexuality influences others to be gay? Fair enough if you don't agree with Trans ideology (as breast binding is part of), but the idea that exposure will influence young people to follow is dangerous.
So great to see you call it as it is- ideology.

And that is how young people learn about a harmful influence, exposure. The studies show that risk of negative effects to the body from binders (done by an organization that was actually pro binding) is almost inevitable.

There is no way to ‘bind’ that does not harm, so therefore these images are glamorizing and promoting self harm.

Please stop dismissing the known negative effects of binders as either inevitable because someone is trans, or acceptable in any way. As a parent of a teen, I am seeing daily the direct impact of people dangerously dismissing the harm of binders.

NiceGerbil · 07/07/2021 02:10

Massively into harm reduction.

That statement admits this practice can be harmful.
And that the company you approve of reduces harm. Not removes it.

Think about what you're saying, in other words.

NiceGerbil · 07/07/2021 02:08

Looks like a standard sexy photoshoot with a bondage angle.

Let's be honest here.

NiceGerbil · 07/07/2021 02:07

She's wearing boxing wrappings which don't look very tight.

She does not have the sort of bust that attracts leers, comments and staring. When in school uniform.

The pictures are highly sexualised and in one she has her breasts covered with a hand.

This is in no way the same as schoolgirls trying to hide their breasts as they have always done.

She says it's 'cool'.

It's not great. Is it.

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