Emma Corrin (the young Princess Di) and breast binders

I'm totally puzzled by the three photos she released. Emma has a small bust, yet one of the photos taken from above seems to aim to emphasise her cleavage in a traditional way, rather than minimise it. This seems to go against the whole ethos of breast binding.

Thanks for that share Igneococcus.

It seemed an article that wasn’t quite convinced about the phenomenon, the author wanted to be inclusive, but can see there is something not healthy about it. And that she is putting it down to a generational thing and that the older generation who disagree might just be ‘unexposed’ haters but she isn’t quite convinced her self.

Of course, the ‘older’ generation opposing this could well be the parents and carers of the teenaged girls being sucked into this and either seeing the damage or can very well understand the mental health issues involved already without the physical damage this causes.

All minimised by people who think ‘live and let live’ means allowing other people’s daughters to self harm if it makes them feel better. We have seen it on these recent threads.

Sadly, all this article did was continue to glamorize the practice, just not quite as lavishly praising the decision as others have. Despite the author seemingly wanting to.

Apparently she/they are just normal pronouns for a woman. I challenged pink news on their headline "X changes her pronouns to she/they" suggesting it should have said "their pronouns" and was told it just means the person uses she-type pronouns and they-type pronouns.
As we all do.
Not sure what she/her means in thay context then - refusal to use they-type pronouns presumably.

I started several comments and deleted them again because I don't even know where to start with this.

Well, the comments are all versions of oh for God's sake.

It's weird, in the pictures, she is posing in a very 'fragile' ballerina feminine kind of way. There's no incongruity in her ''gender'' in the photos she posed for to accompany the article. What the hell is the point so?

Times comment today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ee55d0ca-df49-11eb-bac0-9597568b601f?shareToken=5891697d74b13e00cba63b95d53995a9

She’s a fucking disgrace.

I could weep at the thought of young girls seeing this ridiculous activity and thinking it as normal or desirable.

Binders for supposed gender dysphoria puzzle me - surely if you have such a problem with your breasts, you will be more reminded of their existence by the discomfort of wearing a binder, whereas if you found yourself a comfortable and supportive bra, you wouldn't think about it as much? It's the prioritising of the 'look' over the 'feel' and therefore of the outside validation (supposed) over the direct effect on you. I suppose that's not out of keeping with the attempt to police how others see you.

@FloralBunting Exactly

Yes, I am a large cup size, and I can’t wear the very flattening type of sports bra, I need one with a proper cup that is simply more rigid and more enclosing to minimise bounce. I can’t even wear a wetsuit for long without being really uncomfortable as they are not shaped with room for breasts.

Of course binders are tighter than a sports bra for running! Compression bras only make women with small breasts seem flatter chested. Women with larger breasts tend to run in slightly different sports bras which allow the breast to be enclosed within a moulded cup. Tight, yes, but nowhere near tight enough to give the illusion of a smaller chest. If I try and run in a compression style bra (which doesn't make me look flat chested at all) I feel as if I will suffocate.

And 'they' for the wokesters on social media, advertising, etc.

It should be they/them I think.

Thems clearly grammatically fluid too.

I wondered if there was a thread on here. I found the images and the article really disturbing. I don’t understand though the preferred pronoun she/ they. If they’re non binary wouldn’t it be it/they? I genuinely find it confusing

I read an interview with Emma where she talked about her desire to show just how awful Diana's mental anguish was, and the lengths she went to in an attempt to alleviate it through physical suffering (bulimia) -she was determined not to sugar Coat it in The Crown.
It seems to me that there's a certain amount of cognitive dissonance going on...

Our bodies arealwayswrong. Too fat, too thin, too booby, too flat, too much bum, not enough bum, all just wrong. A new front in an old war

Its not just the physical effects we need to worry about either.

What are the effects on children/young adults who can't join in with the fun other kids are having. Who have to call.it after a few mins as its too hot or they can't breathe. Who's solution to bring a friend to keep them.company whike they go sit inside or cool down or catch their breath falls through because actually they'd rather stay out and play or for once don't want to have to "baby sit" fir want of a better word.

What do these people do when all.their friends are out having fun?

How does that affect them?

Those side effects make me so sad

That young women are being encouraged to hate their female bodies in a new way is horrible, but kind of unsurprising. Our bodies are always wrong. Too fat, too thin, too booby, too flat, too much bum, not enough bum, all just wrong. A new front in an old war.

Think what someone with 650k followers could do with a couple of posts for the Orchid Project.

Why does that happen? I'm curious to know why it can lead to a permanent growth in breast tissue. Hormones I assume?

That's right EarthSight. If you read up on lactogenesis (what changes in the breast are necessary so that we can feed a baby), you'll see that a completed puberty does not bring the breast to maturation. Breast development is only complete after pregnancy and labour, when the brain (specifically the pituitary gland) sends out the signals stimulating the maturation of breast tissue.

Of course that doesn't mean that every woman has bigger breasts after having a child, but it seems to be common. I'm not sure my own experience is that common though as I went up 8 cup sizes in total. (Probably 3 or 4 with the first pregnancy, then another two or three each with my second and third child.)

Here is an informative science paper explaining the physiological process of lactogenesis:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK499981/

It's probably no tighter than a sports bra for running.

Having read some of ThursdayWeld posts in the past, I think they have a trans child so this might affect their perception about binders. Either way, it would be really great if people would stop spreading this sort of misinformation and read the results of the studies posted way back on page 1 even.

Kotatsu, same here - tried all sorts of bras, have shoulder, back and neck pain and my posture is affected. Am looking more like Les Dawson's MIL as I age and the boobs drop. Seriously thought about reduction surgery - wish I'd had it done 30 years ago, but of course the surgeon wouldn't hear of it - what if I wanted to breast feed in the future etc etc. Can't get it done on the NHS now and can't afford to go private. Obvs if I came out as a trans man I'd probably qualify for surgery on the NHS .

Afaic a breast reduction in my case would be a medical procedure about pain relief. I'm guessing TRAs consider binding, mastectomies etc to have a medical basis - for mental health?