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Emma Corrin (the young Princess Di) and breast binders

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Justme56 · 06/07/2021 13:28

"Emma Corrin is embracing a “new” and “intimate” journey as she reveals she has bought her first binder"

Article in the independent (sorry behind a paywall) about Emma who played the young Princess Di in 'The Crown'. Emma is also discussing this on her Instagram page (650k followers) highlighting where she buys hers from (gc:2b).

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CharlieParley · 10/07/2021 20:37

Correction. This should be

But research shows that commercial binders are not safer. Yet they are also euphemistically called medical binders by another interviewee, implying that there are safe methods of breast binding.

CharlieParley · 10/07/2021 20:33

@TheHandmadeTails

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/chest-binding-dangerous/

Apparently -
”Most medical professionals state that the psychological benefits of binding outweigh the risks, which may include chest or back pain, overheating, rashes and shortness of breath.”

That article is a complete disgrace.

The usual suicide narrative:

“For many transmasculine people, it’s binding or suicide,” 17-year-old Raphael Sanche told The New York Times.

Lengthy quotes from Dr Sarah Peitzmeier, who conveniently omits research that contradicts her. She emphasises that girls whose parents won't buy them binders have to resort to home-made solutions, calling them less-safe practices. But research shows that commercial binders, also euphemistically called medical binders by another interviewee, implying that there are safe methods of breast binding. There are no safe methods. Take that large survey by a pro-binding organisation: it showed that 97% reported negative side effects, over half reported two negative side effects, about half reported at least one serious side effect. The survey includes those using commercial binders and it includes those who had only been binding for short periods at the time of the survey.

And yet Dr Peitzmeier claims

“More severe symptoms from binding are rare, typically take many years to develop and are not inherent to the practice, but instead are significantly exacerbated by lack of information, lack of social support and lack of access to gender-affirming health care experienced by many transgender and nonbinary people.”

This is demonstrably untrue. The damage is inherent to the practice. How could it not be? You're crushing a body part every day, typically for 12 hours or more, for months if not years. Negative health outcomes, including worse surgery outcomes for those moving onto mastectomies, are unfortunately possible within weeks.

As for

Research and anecdotal accounts report that binding reduces anxiety and depression.

This is another unsubstantiated claim. It temporarily reduces both. It does not permanently affect either, because binding is not a treatment for depression and anxiety.

And

Most medical professionals state that the psychological benefits of binding outweigh the risks, which may include chest or back pain, overheating, rashes, and shortness of breath.

That's a bold statement presented wholly without evidence. I'd like to see some sources supporting that claim. Both that most medical professionals believe this, and research confirming that the psychological benefits outweigh the physiological risks.

Now it's clear that those who bind believe it to be true, but that cannot replace a thorough, evidence-based risk-benefit analysis.

In my view, her last quote demonstrates how clueless she really is:

Dr Peitzmeier suggests that those who bind “articulate your goals or motivations for binding and bind just enough to achieve those goals”.

This is a vulnerable patient group, involving a great number of minors, who are engaging in a self-harming practice. Can you imagine any doctor saying this to someone cutting or starving themselves?

Nonmaquillee · 10/07/2021 07:53

@TheHandmadeTails

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/chest-binding-dangerous/

Apparently -
”Most medical professionals state that the psychological benefits of binding outweigh the risks, which may include chest or back pain, overheating, rashes and shortness of breath.”

FFS 🤬
IvyTwines2 · 09/07/2021 23:42

Have all the sensible adults on these newspapers gone on holiday or something?

WomaninBoots · 09/07/2021 23:39

This makes me so angry.

TheHandmadeTails · 09/07/2021 22:46

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/chest-binding-dangerous/

Apparently -
”Most medical professionals state that the psychological benefits of binding outweigh the risks, which may include chest or back pain, overheating, rashes and shortness of breath.”

Peppallama · 09/07/2021 19:03

But....moobs? Grin

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/07/2021 19:00

Butchy Grin

I always say "who's she? The cat's mother?" I have a name!

LadyBonnibel · 09/07/2021 18:10

I’m not sure what it’s even meant to mean if you are “she/they” - just that you want to claim the special status of being trans but with absolute minimum hassle or commitment? Does it mean anyone who wants can just carry on regarding you as a she?

Butchyrestingface · 09/07/2021 17:46

I answer to 'she' or 'they' though. What woman doesn't? Confused

IvyTwines2 · 09/07/2021 14:49

It's also worth noting that, while the actress has said she's 'she/they', the coverage is mainly going with 'they, their', not 'she, her'. It's almost like they're misogynists pushing an agenda or something.

DrBlackbird · 08/07/2021 17:49

Why does this journalist not understand why this might be a problem for women. She, herself has experienced the difference when people assume she is male (her name is Charlie). She is treated with more respect as a male than as a female.

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WinterIsGone · 08/07/2021 16:52

They've even helpfully included the name of the breast-binder merchant
Yes, I wonder whether Emma received any payment from that company. She's not actually wearing their merchandise though, is she? It's not a real binder, more an arty idealised version.

I guess the Twitter feed is run by youngsters? And it got lots of comments, plus great for the journalist who wrote it. Win-win Hmm

IvyTwines2 · 08/07/2021 16:45

It's curious that The Times' own Twitter account has decided to publish almost all of this article - which I presume would be otherwise paywalled and inaccessible to a teenage audience - in a long series of tweets. They've even helpfully included the name of the breast-binder merchant.

LadyBonnibel · 08/07/2021 15:55

I have considered adding pronouns to my Instagram “bio” (there’s a box specifically for that purpose) simply because I believe that’s the future: in five years’ time, I imagine they’ll be in our email signatures too. I also wonder whether if more people shared them, it might make it less daunting for others to change theirs too.

This para alone shows that this writer is way, way behind the curve and hasn't even researched this in the slightest. She's writing this as if it's a new original thought - when it's been pushed for this reason for years, is common in email signatures and has also been pushed back against with mucho debate and explanation. No awareness whatsoever of the recent successful legal challenges and why they were necessary.

Five years is when I believe and hope we'll look back on all this and wonder WTF happened and how so many harmful practices somehow became mainstream. Future my arse.

WomaninBoots · 08/07/2021 15:47

I honestly don't know how some people manage to not leave the house with their underpants on their heads such is their inability to think clearly...

saltedcaramelchocolate · 08/07/2021 14:08

[quote Igneococcus]Times comment today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ee55d0ca-df49-11eb-bac0-9597568b601f?shareToken=5891697d74b13e00cba63b95d53995a9[/quote]
. As to the pronouns? I’m a straight, white, cisgender woman and people’s assumptions of my sexuality, race and gender are always right. I have never been misgendered to my face, though people often assume from my name that I’m male when talking to me over email (they’re usually more respectful when they do so).

Yet she then says

. in five years’ time, I imagine they’ll be in our email signatures too. I also wonder whether if more people shared them, it might make it less daunting for others to change theirs too.

Why does this journalist not understand why this might be a problem for women. She, herself has experienced the difference when people assume she is male (her name is Charlie). She is treated with more respect as a male than as a female.

IfNot · 08/07/2021 12:58

She/they was fantastic in the Crown. What a shame she/they is a pillock.

CharlieParley · 08/07/2021 10:19

@PearlNextDoor

Well, the comments are all versions of oh for God's sake.

It's weird, in the pictures, she is posing in a very 'fragile' ballerina feminine kind of way. There's no incongruity in her ''gender'' in the photos she posed for to accompany the article. What the hell is the point so?

And here's the other thing - the girls and young women I know of who are wearing binders do not celebrate their breasts in this way. That first, bare-breasted, photo is not what a dysphoric girl or woman would want to have out in the world, because it emphasises her breasts in a pose stereotypical for female celebs/actors/models (glamour shot style) which invites the audience to admire her naked body.

And that's precisely what a female person with dysphoria does not do.

Which leads me to assume that EC is glamourising breast binding because it seems hip and cool to her while just being edgy enough to garner attention and kudos with progressive youngsters.

Glamourising what is more correctly considered a self-harming practice without understanding where it comes from, why it is done and what damage it does to most of the women and girls who do it.

A demonstration of profound ignorance. Definitely not something to be proud of.

LadyBonnibel · 08/07/2021 09:49

Yes this is all over the place! version of a glamour photo shoot to show us her boobs. While pretending she’s wearing a binder which looks really loose and revealing and nothing like an actual binder, promoting their use without indicating any of the downsides and dangers, and getting a load of kudos for leaping on the trans bandwagon. Even TRAs should be annoyed!

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 08/07/2021 09:44

good grief, I just looked at the instagram page and the sycophantic fawning in the comments makes me want to vomit.

As does the page itself, tbf. I just want to scream: for fuck's sake, stop this narcissistic wankery and actually do something meaningful and valuable!

Siblingquandary · 08/07/2021 09:34

[quote Igneococcus]Times comment today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ee55d0ca-df49-11eb-bac0-9597568b601f?shareToken=5891697d74b13e00cba63b95d53995a9[/quote]
That's a very weak article.
Not because I disagree, it's just wishy-washy.

Reads like something written at 3am for a deadline. Filler.

IvyTwines2 · 08/07/2021 09:13

@WinterIsGone

I'm totally puzzled by the three photos she released. Emma has a small bust, yet one of the photos taken from above seems to aim to emphasise her cleavage in a traditional way, rather than minimise it. This seems to go against the whole ethos of breast binding.
There are some actors who quietly get on with the business of acting and others who are look at me, look at me attention-seekers, and she comes across as the latter. I wondered why she was dressed up in a Grayson Perry-style frock on one of her first TV appearances, Graham Norton. At the time I thought, poor sod, is that what the stylist gave her? And she just so happens to have a play opening this weekend: I can't imagine embarking on a lung-compressing 'journey' is good for any actor's voice projection, but the announcement may increase teenage ticket sales and make younger reviewers inclined to add an extra star for being, as she describes herself, 'very cool'.
StealthPolarBear · 08/07/2021 08:57

Really good point