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Helen Webberley

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Signalbox · 05/07/2021 11:59

Looks like Helem Webberley's substantive case has finally been listed for 26th July 2021

www.mpts-uk.org/hearings-and-decisions/medical-practitioners-tribunals/dr-helen-webberley-jul-21

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R0wantrees · 26/07/2021 11:44

From thread above re Lancashire CC case,

LangCleg wrote, Sat 11-May-19
The legal team for the foster mother/mother according to the judgement rely largely on the report of Dr Pasterski.

This is the position of Dr Pasterski on childhood GD:

In her report she identifies that there have been recent changes to the diagnostic criteria for gender dysphoria and that research on mental health and transgender children have shed light onto critical historical misunderstandings related to clinical presentation in gender dysphoria. Firstly, that children who present with gender dysphoria are likely to desist in their cross-gender identification and secondly that gender dysphoria is inherently associated with high rates of comorbid psychopathology. She notes both have been shown to be false. She identifies that these misunderstandings arise from two particular factors. Firstly earlier studies which showed that up to 80% of children desist in gender dysphoria included children who presented with gender incongruent behaviour but did not necessarily state the wish to be or that they were the other gender. Thus children displaying gender variance may have been wrongly diagnosed with gender dysphoria. As a result of this treatment protocols previously incorporated a watch and wait approach which had prevented truly dysphoric children from transitioning which had likely resulted in increased rates of depression and anxiety. As Dr Pasterski puts it 'Put simply, many who have shown to desist were likely not dysphoric and psychopathology in those who persisted was likely due to forbidden expression of their true gender identity.'

This is not the current NHS position. (Quite aside from the usual No True Scotsman fallacy as used by gender evangelists day in, day out). This extreme position has been recently challenged both by a review at the Tavi and by TV documentaries such as Panorama."

R0wantrees · 26/07/2021 11:39

Helen Webberley Tribunal Tweets
The tribunal is scheduled to hear witnesses from Wednesday. IS notes that the defence will call Dr (Vickie) Pasterski at some point

Dr Pasterski is a consultant at the private London Transgender Clinic.

thelondontransgenderclinic.uk/our-transgender-surgery-practice-london/diagnosis-therapy/dr-vickie-pasterski/

Background:
(extract)
"Recognised Gender Specialist
Gender Recognition Panel
Ministry of Justice, UK"
www.harleystgenderclinic.com/about

relevant threads:

May 2019 Dr Pasterski's provided influential evidence as 'expert witness' in a significant Care case against Lancashire County Council concerning three (unrelated) young childen identified as 'trans' within foster carers' family:
www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWFC/HCJ/2019/30.html

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3582478-Judge-over-rules-social-services-concerns

January 2019
OP 2010Equality wrote,
"Jay vs Secretary of State for Justice -- getting a GRC on appeal after panel says 'no' three times

I've just been reading the court judgment behind this story . It is disturbing www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/trangender-rights-gender-recognitions-exposives-womens-prisons-father-of-seven-david-gauke-a8586241.html

It is about ‘Ms Jay’ a seven times dad convicted of obtaining explosives with intent to endanger life. The GRA panel turned Jay down three times, but a single judge sitting on his own overruled it and gave Jay the certificate. (so now they will be in a women's prison...)

The judgement gives the history of Jay: sent to prison for 8 years. Has long psychiatric medical history with no mention of gender identity issues in records. Unstable personality traits. Behavioural impulsivity. Maladaptive coping strategies. Cuts into own testicle “with the intention of removing it”.

First GRC application while in prison: report from Dr James Barrett from London Gender Identity Clinic. Jay claims to have transitioned before prison & been in contact w clinics in London, Birmingham, Nottingham. Barrett sees no evidence “doubts veracity of whole history”. Barrett wonders whether Jay’s “ somewhat dependent personality had caused her to unwisely latch onto a change of gender role as a seemingly universal solution to both why her life had gone wrong and how it might be rectified.”

Out on parole. Second application supported by a new GP who has known Jay a couple of months & has not got full medical records. GPays Jay being seen by Nottingham gender clinic. Jay writes on the letter: left Nottingham Gender Clinic “due to their total incompetence”.

Jay promises letter from “gender specialist” Helen Webberly (!!!) but it never arrives. Goes back to prison after breaking parole. Attempts further self-surgery, removing part of testicles and penis.Jay submits report prepared for a separate court case by forensic psychiatrist at secure hospital. Report is 34 pages w 26 pages redacted by Jay as “not relevant’. The report says Jay has “sought help from Nottingham clinic” & from private specialists [sic] w expertise in gender dysphoria
Panel refuses again. Neither GP nor the forensic psychiatrist have credibly diagnosed gender dysphoria.

Out of prison again. Third GRC Application supported by Dr Vickie Pasterski. Vickie Pasterski (twitter.com/DrPasterski

Dr Pasterski’s report is glowing. No mention of past six years in prison or of previous hacking at own genitals. "is a 39-year-old natal male who has lived in the female gender role since 2013. In this time, she has lived continuously and in all contexts as female, has undertaken laser hair removal, breast augmentation, feminising hormone therapy and feminising body sculpting procedures. Furthermore, to my
knowledge, [Ms Jay] has never been diagnosed with disqualifying psychiatric illness."

Eh? When did all this laser hair removal, breast augmentation & body sculpting happen - since Jay has only been out of prison a few months? Who paid for it? Why are there no medical records mentioning it? The panel noticed this too, and start asking questions. Did Dr Pasterski know her patient had been in prison for most of past 6 years? Are there any medical records of treatment? Has Jay been employed since prison? Panel thinks Jay “may have something to hide”.

Jay responds with a letter vociferously complaining about the panel’s conduct, describing it as “pathetic” and “a total disgrace” (Jay often responds to panel by returning their letters with intemperate written comments)

November 2017 Jay breaks parole conditions again and goes back to prison. Files appeal against the panel’s decision. Supported by a report from another doctor who has only seen Jay once. At the appeal the Judge pronounces, without the panel, that he is convinced by the evidence that Jay has gender dysphoria. Judge says GRA is designed to be "permissive rather than restrictive" and the evidential requirements are ancillary to the statutory criteria."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3481765-Jay-vs-Secretary-of-State-for-Justice-getting-a-GRC-on-appeal-after-panel-says-no-three-times

Helen Webberley
CardinalLolzy · 26/07/2021 11:33

I'm going to try and follow on Twitter.

WarriorN · 26/07/2021 11:32

Vickie Pasterski: What is the essence of gender? https://www.ted.com/talks/vickiepasterskiiwhatisstheessenceeofgender

WarriorN · 26/07/2021 11:31

Going to call Pasterski, who is absolutely deluded.

Melroses · 26/07/2021 11:13

@AfternoonToffee

Maybe should have spent time preparing then Helen instead of giving media interviews.
Yes they seem to have thoroughly prepared for the media.
AfternoonToffee · 26/07/2021 11:11

Maybe should have spent time preparing then Helen instead of giving media interviews.

RedDogsBeg · 26/07/2021 10:52

He doesn’t wish to “burden the GMC” with difficulties, but he wants to make them known

Get the excuses in early.

PronounssheRa · 26/07/2021 10:46

@RedDogsBeg

they state they have had difficulty with defence experts.

What difficulties would they be? Couldn't they find any to support them?

I did wonder.

Webberleys rep He doesn’t wish to “burden the GMC” with difficulties, but he wants to make them known

RedDogsBeg · 26/07/2021 10:44

they state they have had difficulty with defence experts.

What difficulties would they be? Couldn't they find any to support them?

PronounssheRa · 26/07/2021 10:41

Webberleys reps are complaining about the lack of time they have had to prepare and they state they have had difficulty with defence experts.

Zeugma · 26/07/2021 10:37

The twitter thread has paused....looks as though Ian Stern QC (for HW) is saying they had inadequate time to prepare......

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 26/07/2021 10:04

@dratalanta

Anyone know why Ian Stern QC is described by tribunaltweets as "Doctor representing Helen Webberley"?

He specialises in cases of medical negligence and also in medical professional tribunals, but he isn't (I think) a medical doctor.

I noticed that. Slip of the keyboard, I think.
WarriorN · 26/07/2021 09:34

Good , I can follow this all day. V important tribunal.

RipX has pointed out that the RT and sharing of a tweeter who reported on certain ball waxing issue helped to make it global news and that Danial is doing similar re GenderGP, exposing many stories. So if on Twitter pls RT and share.

RedDeerRunning · 26/07/2021 09:33

[quote highame]Bloody hell, just had a thought, the GMC haven't been stonewalled have they? Can't find a logo on their website and this link shows a quality statement which is as it should be. Fingers crossed. www.gmc-uk.org/ethical-guidance/ethical-hub/trans-healthcare[/quote]
They have been completely and utterly captured with absolutely no insight into the degree of their own capture. Part of the reason this abomination has been permitted to continue.
They are Stonewall champions.
Their favoured activist group is the LGBT fdn.
They had mermaids in for training as recently as 2020.

An organisation not fit for purpose.

dratalanta · 26/07/2021 09:30

Anyone know why Ian Stern QC is described by tribunaltweets as "Doctor representing Helen Webberley"?

He specialises in cases of medical negligence and also in medical professional tribunals, but he isn't (I think) a medical doctor.

corkernewyorker · 26/07/2021 09:08

Cheers Signalbox just came on to see if there was a way to follow today.

Signalbox · 26/07/2021 08:58

Live tweets today from this account for anyone interested…

mobile.twitter.com/tribunaltweets/status/1419558589648277511

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Signalbox · 26/07/2021 08:55

[quote highame]Bloody hell, just had a thought, the GMC haven't been stonewalled have they? Can't find a logo on their website and this link shows a quality statement which is as it should be. Fingers crossed. www.gmc-uk.org/ethical-guidance/ethical-hub/trans-healthcare[/quote]
I don’t think we need to worry about stonewall in this case. The panel members are independent decision makers and multiple interim order committees have kept an interim suspension order in place over the last few years to protect the public until the hearing could take place. Also the GMC have brought the case so they will be arguing that there was misconduct and that HW’s fitness to practice is impaired.

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Leafstamp · 26/07/2021 08:18

[quote highame]Bloody hell, just had a thought, the GMC haven't been stonewalled have they? Can't find a logo on their website and this link shows a quality statement which is as it should be. Fingers crossed. www.gmc-uk.org/ethical-guidance/ethical-hub/trans-healthcare[/quote]
The have sadly. According to this list:

sex-matters.org/stonewall-champions-list/

But let’s remember as per above, this is is not specifically about trans healthcare. They will be looking at the technicalities from a healthcare and safeguarding perspective.

rogdmum · 26/07/2021 08:17

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Interestingly Mermaids are still recommending them...
LGBT Youth Scotland also appear to be quite enthusiastic supporters of GenderGP

twitter.com/rogdmum/status/1418538609846673408?s=21

Leafstamp · 26/07/2021 08:14

The latest from Danial Webb (yet another horror story):

mobile.twitter.com/DanialWebb/status/1419553713199452160

highame · 26/07/2021 07:52

Bloody hell, just had a thought, the GMC haven't been stonewalled have they? Can't find a logo on their website and this link shows a quality statement which is as it should be. Fingers crossed. www.gmc-uk.org/ethical-guidance/ethical-hub/trans-healthcare

Signalbox · 26/07/2021 06:56

Is she allowed to talk about an upcoming trial? I thought that was usually a big no no?

Registrants can do as they please but it could backfire. As change says, lack of insight is a massive issue and the interviews highlight the fact that she has zero insight. This makes her dangerous as a clinician so she won’t be going back to work anytime soon.

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FloralBunting · 26/07/2021 01:28

She has the moral and ethical integrity of the leech she is.

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