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Helen Webberley

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Signalbox · 05/07/2021 11:59

Looks like Helem Webberley's substantive case has finally been listed for 26th July 2021

www.mpts-uk.org/hearings-and-decisions/medical-practitioners-tribunals/dr-helen-webberley-jul-21

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Masdintle · 27/07/2021 12:56

I'll second what viva says - our very own walking encyclopaedia 👍

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 27/07/2021 12:37

If I was a SHL in this case then I'd be smart enough to have a look at what R0wantrees was putting up on MN.

She's like a voluntary paralegal. SHL's know where to find good resources. As do Baroness Nicholson's assistants. Seems to me that many of the Green, SNP, Labour and Lib Dem elected representatives are not quite smart enough to read what is being provided for them for free. More fool them.

Thanks for your efforts, R0. I'm sure this is taxing work for you and I am sure that many kids and adults with gender issues will benefit from you pulling all this information together. You are throwing in so many pebbles you're not making ripples in this murky pond, but creating a tsunami.

WarriorN · 27/07/2021 07:57

Bloody hell.

Silly question I'm sure but is any of the info on the thread going to be part of this tribunal? (I'm thinking about the child cases too.)

R0wantrees · 26/07/2021 23:58

DanialWebb When I saw the reference, I wondered if that would be the case.

DanialWebb · 26/07/2021 23:51

GenderGP still do shadow prescribing. The Egyptian GP agrees to whatever drugs the customer wants, then the Romanian GP writes the prescription.

CardinalLolzy · 26/07/2021 23:25

R0wantrees, you are phenomenal!

merrymouse · 26/07/2021 20:53

By selling medications to Mainers at prices patients pay in Britain — which negotiates drug costs under the publicly funded National Health Service — Great British Drugstore can offer steep discounts, O’Brien said.

But obviously the NHS wouldn’t be able to negotiate those prices if drug manufacturers believed they were just going to be sold on at a profit to other markets.

It’s very obviously dodgy.

R0wantrees · 26/07/2021 20:47

'British Virtual Drugstore Offers Maine Consumers Cheaper Prescriptions'
October 8, 2014
(extract)
"That state law that opened the door to these transactions is under legal challenge, and one of the plaintiffs in the suit is the Maine Pharmacy Association. Past president Kenneth McCall questions the safety of online pharmacies. He cites the case of another operation - Canadadrugcenter.com - that has also advertised cheap prescription drugs in Maine newspapers.

"And we found out, in fact, that the medicines they were shipping were not approved by Canada Health, and had nothing to do with Canadian pharmacists or pharmacies," McCall says. "In fact, they were from Mauritius, India, Turkey. So I caution people here in Maine to be alert, be skeptical. And to not just take what you read on an Internet website at face value."

McCall says Great British Drug Store itself violates U.K. law, which prohibits pharmacists there from filling prescriptions from doctors in the the U.S. But Great British Drug Store's Mary O'Brien says there's actually a legal work-around to that problem. "It's called shadow prescribing," she says.

Shadow prescribing works like this: A U.K. physician will review every order from Maine, and, if approved, will recreate the prescription and send it to be filled. (continues)

www.mainepublic.org/health/2014-10-08/british-virtual-drugstore-offers-maine-consumers-cheaper-prescriptions

Bosky · 26/07/2021 20:34

"British pharmacy chain launches online drugstore for Maine consumers"
Bangor Daily News, October 2014

A British pharmacy chain has launched an online drugstore in Maine, taking advantage of a controversial first-in-the-nation law that allows Maine residents to buy medicines from some foreign countries.

Touting “British drugs at British prices,” the Great British Drugstore sells brand-name prescription medications by mail order at prices up to 70 percent lower than in the U.S. The company plans to announce its Maine launch on Wednesday afternoon at a news conference in Portland.

“What we’re trying to do is target people who need to access medicines who can’t afford them,” said Mary O’Brien, managing director for Great British Drugstore.

Operated by the British pharmacy company Weldricks, an independently owned chain with 61 locations throughout the United Kingdom, the site targets only Maine consumers.

While some Canadian pharmacies already market to Maine residents under the landmark law, Great British Drugstore is the first U.K.-based company making a big push in Maine.

Passed in June 2013, the law allows Maine residents to buy prescription drugs from Internet pharmacies in Canada, the U.K., Australia and New Zealand.

Supporters of the law contend it will lower Mainers’ health care costs by providing access to less expensive medications. Mainers face the fifth-highest health care expenditures in the country, spending $8,521 per capita each year, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

But last fall, several Maine pharmacy organizations joined with a major pharmaceutical trade group to challenge the law, arguing it jeopardizes the safety of the nation’s prescription drug supply and opens the door to counterfeit and tainted medications. The lawsuit lost steam in May when a federal judge dismissed PhRMA, a national trade group representing drug companies, as a plaintiff.

The suit has continued, however, on the basis that the law allows unfair foreign competition. The plaintiffs seek to ultimately invalidate the law, which took effect on Oct. 9, 2013.

Kenneth McCall, president of the Maine Pharmacy Association, a party to the suit, urged Maine consumers to view the new site with skepticism. The National Association of Pharmacy Boards estimates that 98 percent of online pharmacies fail to meet U.S. standards, he said. “Are you getting what your doctor prescribed?” he said. “There’s no guarantee here.”

Maine’s new law and the subsequent lawsuit have particularly re-ignited concerns about importing drugs from Canada. A 2005 U.S. Food and Drug Administration investigation found that most drugs ordered from Canadian-fronted websites originated in other countries.

Foreign pharmacies aren’t required to apply for a Maine license, provided they meet their own country’s regulatory requirements. Great British Drugstore is licensed in the U.K. and U.K.-registered pharmacists dispense its medications, O’Brien said. Its parent company already operates a mail-order pharmacy business overseas, in addition to its brick-and-mortar locations.

While some of the Canadian sites have stirred concerns, all of Great British Drugstore’s medications are sourced from U.K. wholesalers supplied directly by drug manufacturers, O’Brien said.

“We’re not really comparing ourselves to the Canadian websites that are sourcing from … India, Mauritius, from Turkey, from all different places,” she said, adding that there’s “absolutely zero potential for counterfeits” in the site’s system.

The Maine Pharmacy Association, joined by the Retail Association of Maine, highlighted U.K. regulations that prohibit U.K. pharmacists from supplying medicines for prescriptions based in the U.S. “Great British Drug Store is violating both U.S. and U.K. laws,” the groups said in a statement Wednesday.

O’Brien said both U.S. and U.K. legal counsel consulted with U.K. regulators and have signed off on the operation. Customers must fill out a health questionnaire on the site, which will be reviewed by a U.K. physician with 20 years of experience, Dr. Helen Webberley. If Webberley finds no problems, she will recreate each prescription for the U.K., O’Brien said.

“Patients are legally allowed to import, we’re legally allowed to export, we’re legally allowed to dispense,” O’Brien said.

By selling medications to Mainers at prices patients pay in Britain — which negotiates drug costs under the publicly funded National Health Service — Great British Drugstore can offer steep discounts, O’Brien said.

For example, Great British Drugstore markets a pack of 28 40-milligram pills of Lipitor, a cholesterol-lowering medication, at $108.40. The same pills cost more than double that at pharmacies including CVS, Walmart and Walgreens, according to the site.

Maine consumers may log onto the site to order their medications, then upload, fax or scan and email their prescription, O’Brien explained. Each order is then prepared for dispensing, but held back until Great British Drugstore receives the original prescription by mail at its Portland office, she said.

Consumers must click a button to confirm they live in Maine. The site won’t verify residency but ships drugs only to a Maine address.

Great British Drugstore ships orders within 48 hours, much shorter than the 21 days often offered by Canadian-fronted pharmacies, O’Brien said.

The site can sell any brand-name or generic drug approved by the U.S. FDA. So far, about 200 medications are listed, with thousands more due to be added as the site gets off the ground, O’Brien said. For now, consumers can contact the online pharmacy if they can’t find the medication they need, she said.

“In theory we can supply anything that a prescription is presented to us for,” she said.

Great British Drugstore, which expects to eventually employ three people locally, has modest growth plans in Maine, where retail pharmacies sold nearly $1.4 billion worth of prescription drugs in 2013. The online pharmacy seeks to provide an alternative for Mainers who want lower-cost drugs, O’Brien said.

“We don’t expect that every single prescription in Maine is going to come to us,” she said.

That’s an appropriate assumption, given that 86 percent of all drugs dispensed by U.S. pharmacies are generic medications that usually cost less here than overseas, said Gabriel Levitt, vice president of PharmacyChecker.com, which evaluates and verifies online pharmacies and compares prescription drug prices.

“The overwhelming majority of pharmacy customers will not be shopping from Canada or the U.K.,” he said.

Maine residents struggling with the “crazy burden of high drug prices here” would be “perfectly safe buying from licensed pharmacies in the U.K.,” he said.

Great British Drugstore has applied to Pharmacy Checker’s verification program and the review is ongoing, Levitt said. “What stands out with Great British Drugstore is that it will only be filling prescription orders sourced from the U.K., whereas many international online pharmacies, including safe ones in our program, fill orders through licensed pharmacies in countries that are not exempted under Maine law,” he said.

But McCall remains unconvinced that the new site is safe for Maine consumers. Foreign online pharmacies that operate outside the purview of the FDA and state regulators provide little accountability, potentially leaving customers with no recourse if they order drugs that harm them, he said.

“You can make any claims you want online,” McCall said.

Archived:
archive.is/kEW9u

R0wantrees · 26/07/2021 20:34

Oxford Online Pharmacy
Our Dedicated GP, Dr Helen, Was A Guest On BBC Radio 5
Thursday, October 22, 2015
(extract)
Speaking about the dangers of ordering counterfeit diet pills online, in the wake of the tragic death of the 21-year old student, Eloise Parry, Dr Helen discussed the dangers of DNP (dinitrophenol), the highly toxic active ingredient believed to be responsible.

Dr Helen explained the importance of using a legitimate and trusted online pharmacy and advised listeners to check the credentials of the company when ordering pharmaceuticals online. (continues)

'If you are buying prescription-only medication without a prescription, then it is illegal and potentially very dangerous. Remote healthcare can be very convenient and very safe when accessed properly, but people need to be doubly careful that the healthcare professionals they have access to are properly qualified and licensed to provide this service.'

'Don't be afraid to pick up the phone and ask to speak to the pharmacist or doctor that is treating you. Ask to see their GMC and GPhC registration and check that they are safe and legal. Online doctor services are a great adjunct to the overburdened NHS, but there are also a lot of rogue traders selling counterfeit or illegal medication.' (continues)
www.oxfordonlinepharmacy.co.uk/blog/our-dedicated-gp-dr-helen-was-a-guest-on-bbc-radio-5

WarriorN · 26/07/2021 20:23

(I meant mn web archiving stuff!)

WarriorN · 26/07/2021 20:22

@BettyFilous

I love FWR contributors’ forensic collation of evidence, with a special mention for ace archivist R0wantrees. 👏

Hear hear! and also excellent archiving stuff going on. Thanks all

R0wantrees · 26/07/2021 19:49

Dr Helen Webberley's Appeal against "DECISION ON NATIONAL DISQUALIFICATION" by NHS WALES/ANEURIN BEVAN UNIVERSITY HEALTH BOARD
On the papers on 10 January 2019
(extract)
12.We refer to our decision dated 22 October 2018. The findings made related to the overarching issue of Dr Webberley’s self-governance and her willingness to be subject to regulatory governance by those responsible for her continued inclusion in the MPL. In our decision we summarised the reasons for our decision regarding suitability:

“109. We consider that Dr Webberley’s sustained actions in frustrating the efforts of the LHB to reassure itself as to her standards renders her unsuitable for inclusion in the MPL. She told the investigators that terms of reference needed to be set but she knew they had already been set. We have found that her reasons for refusing access to her practice on 5 October were disingenuous and manipulative. She wanted to prevent access or investigation. The respondent has satisfied us that she lacks the essential attributes of integrity and candour which are essential to suitability. She also lacks insight. We do not consider that the attributes of suitability are divisible as between private and NHS practice because suitability is a concept that goes to the very core of practitioner’s true character and attitude. Dr Webberley’s attitude is one of entrenched resistance to regulation and is highly coloured by her lack of integrity and candour."

phl.decisions.tribunals.gov.uk/Documents/(FTT)%20Decision%20on%20National%20Disqualification%2023%20January%202019%20-%20[2018]%203251.PHL.pdf

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 26/07/2021 19:41

I'm appalled.

And if I was a medic I'd be double appalled.

And I am very glad I'm not a parent of a kid who's gender issues had lead me across HW or SG. Neither should be anywhere near a position of influence or power or vulnerable people.

highame · 26/07/2021 19:36

Thanks for digging out your other thread R0wan I knew there was one but couldn't locate it. So much information. You are a star Star

BettyFilous · 26/07/2021 19:03

I love FWR contributors’ forensic collation of evidence, with a special mention for ace archivist R0wantrees. 👏

R0wantrees · 26/07/2021 18:42

The two services provided by Mike Webberley were for "Ludomania" aka Gambling Addiction and Alcoholism:

It appears the 'service' offered was primarily writing prescriptions for Naltrexone, Acamprosate and/or Nalmefene.

Mike Webberley was a gastroenterologist.

Bosky · 26/07/2021 18:31

"The Online Surgery UK for all your health needs"

archive.vn/D1Hiu

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Choose from one of the conditions below

(too many to list)

ASK OUR DOCTORS HERE
(ps. there's only one)

Dr. Helen Webberley

Dr. Webberley is a highly experienced NHS GP and has developed and provided online healthcare for many years. She can provide the full range of medical services, and is able to advise and help with acute and chronic problems.

Bosky · 26/07/2021 18:24

Oh - apologies, that is the Webberley's "My Web Doctor" website. When you clicked through those icons for more info all but two services were provided by Helen Webberley:

31 May 2019
archive.ph/EQyb0

Earlier archive: 19 Nov 2016
archive.ph/hdnuA

The two services provided by Mike Webberley were for "Ludomania" aka Gambling Addiction and Alcoholism:

Gambling Addiction – Ludomania
archive.fo/egz0M

Alcohol Dependency and Abuse
archive.ph/kdO0A

(Danial Webb has all this info)

R0wantrees · 26/07/2021 18:17

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

Hang on, she was flogging clomid privately before developing her "interest" in gender?

Fertility and gender, particularly paediatric gender, are quite different disciplines, are they not?

Maybe she is focusing on the "most desperate/willing to pay" populations. Wonder if you need to be a registered doctor to supply tape worms to fat people?

Fri 25-Nov-16

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/infertility/2544934-Anyone-used-Oxford-Online-Pharmacy-for-Clomid?pg=2

Helen Webberley
Bosky · 26/07/2021 18:06

The Webberley's were into anything remotely "medical" they could sell online - look at this lot from "Online GP"

That screenshot is from 8 Jan 2021

Helen Webberley
R0wantrees · 26/07/2021 18:05

from link above,

OldCrone Tue 21-May-19 11:10:54

"I just did a search to try to find out when the Webberleys started this money-making operation, and I found this from October 7, 2014.

bangordailynews.com/2014/10/07/health/british-pharmacy-chain-launches-online-drugstore-for-maine-consumers/

This particular operation seems to have been a way to make money from NHS prescriptions, selling the drugs on to customers in the USA who would normally pay a lot more for them.

The Maine Pharmacy Association, joined by the Retail Association of Maine, highlighted U.K. regulations that prohibit U.K. pharmacists from supplying medicines for prescriptions based in the U.S.

“Great British Drug Store is violating both U.S. and U.K. laws,” the groups said in a statement Wednesday.

O’Brien said both U.S. and U.K. legal counsel consulted with U.K. regulators and have signed off on the operation. Customers must fill out a health questionnaire on the site, which will be reviewed by a U.K. physician with 20 years of experience, Dr. Helen Webberley. If Webberley finds no problems, she will recreate each prescription for the U.K., O’Brien said.

“Patients are legally allowed to import, we’re legally allowed to export, we’re legally allowed to dispense,” O’Brien said.

By selling medications to Mainers at prices patients pay in Britain — which negotiates drug costs under the publicly funded National Health Service — Great British Drugstore can offer steep discounts, O’Brien said."

R0wantrees · 26/07/2021 18:03

@R0wantrees

I believe there was a third online business also, with a different target customer. I'm unsure of the details.
MoleSmokes on 'Dr-Helen-and-Dr-Mike-Webberley-matters-of-public-record' wrote,

"2014 - Helen Webberley is the GP involved with the online pharmacy the "Great British Drugstore" dispensing a massive range of medicines from the UK to the USA - nothing specific to "transgender" to see here, just general exploiting of loopholes in the law and cashing in on the lower price of medicines in the UK negotiated by the NHS:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3588654-dr-mike-webberley-suspended?msgid=87218462

R0wantrees · 26/07/2021 17:28

I believe there was a third online business also, with a different target customer. I'm unsure of the details.

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