What are all the liberal celebs so quiet now at the spa?

Women confronting a male for getting his cock out in front of them and little girls, completely violating their boundaries, are ''making life difficult'' for LGBT people, seriously?

As the topic has become even more toxic online any celebrity would be well-advised to keep well out of it. I'm not keen to hear their mostly ill-informed views on any topic anyway.

Why would they come out to defend this guy? I though they were in support of trans woman not sexual predators?

How would Wi Spa implementing strict safeguarding practices to protect 6 year old and 9 year old girls and women asking for this to happen make your life harder @yeahbutnaw?

I'd like to know this too.

How does the safeguarding on girls and women make life harder for LGB or T people?

Not even in .

But it will probably mendaciously - along the lines of 'Karen White' - pass into received wisdom as a one-off

This could be renamed "The TRA's Prayer". Maybe just chuck a "Stfu bigot!" in there somewhere

*Yes, it's becoming increasingly difficult to live as an LGBT person.

We're constantly tarnished with disinformation campaigns just like this one.

And you're helping to spread them - thereby making our lives harder. Thanks.*

What has male born people getting their penises out in front of women and girls in female designated spaces got to do with being gay or lesbian?

Original 90s Salem, or new Netflix Salem? I don't know anything of New Salem, but from what Netflix has been pushing lately I would assume they are a nonbinary celebrity cat. And that you're a total bigot for assuming zir's gender.

Even the staff at the spa did not deny that there was a male in there. What "evidence" do you want? A photo of the meat and two veg? Pretty sure that's against Talk Guidelines...

Yes, it's becoming increasingly difficult to live as an LGBT person.

You should seek a support group that suits your purposes. But maybe not one that encourages hyperbole and only emotive reasoning. There are plenty of groups who are using supporting evidence to progress their needs.

We're constantly tarnished with disinformation campaigns just like this one.

You are yet to show any reasoned thought or evidence that this is a disinformation campaign. Rather, you seem to ignore the evidence that has happened, and that it has now been reported to have happened at least twice previously.

You have also resorted to Ad hom attacks toward the person who has reported.

Please continue though, it is very good at highlighting the lack of evidence and the lack of thoughtful dialogue about the safeguarding issues that this brings up.

And you're helping to spread them - thereby making our lives harder. Thanks.

Shall we start to point out the ramifications of your own actions here. Where this potentially will end up if women and children's needs are ignored in the pursuit of the needs of males who wish to use the female spa section?

Shall we point out just who benefits from your line of reasoning? Or will you continue to aim that pointy finger of shame at women discussing the conflicts in the rights for safety, privacy and dignity for women and children.

How would Wi Spa implementing strict safeguarding practices to protect 6 year old and 9 year old girls and women asking for this to happen make your life harder yeahbutnaw?

Tell us exactly, not in vague notions. Exactly.

How would Wi Spa implementing strict safeguarding practices to protect 6 year old and 9 year old girls and women asking for this to happen make your life harder yeahbutnaw?

And you're helping to spread them - thereby making our lives harder. Thanks

Quite incredible that this needs saying but women who speak out are not the problem here

If I worked at the front desk and someone was saying that, a.. I don't know, a cat was in the changing room.

I wouldn't make the point that cats were covered under equality legislation, implying that this was a thing that happened before and that I checked in the past and that I had probably just sold a ticket to a cat in the changing room.

I'd just say "of course we don't have cats in the changing room. It's for humans, you nut case. now fuck off out of here you're causing a scene. "

I saw a YouTube a while ago where Laurie Penny was basically being called a terf. Perhaps she just cracked. At any rate one really sad part of this nightmare has been the number of people I can't bear to read anymore. People I didn't always agree with but did respect. Ash Sarkar , Laurie Penny , Rebecca Solnit. Most of the Irish liberal/ left , even long ago Izzard and Owen Jones. I tried to watch Jones on Batley and Spen but ugh...

Yes, it's becoming increasingly difficult to live as an LGBT person.

This has got nothing to do with the L or the G or the B, though. Why bring sexuality into this when it's clearly about gender identity?

It is also only your opinion that this is "disinformation", conveniently ignoring the multiple reports of the same behaviour and simply pretending that everyone is lying about it.

As far as I can tell from what I have read online is that it's a family business and that it's only a "hot spot" for one weirdo who like getting her dick out in front of children.

Can you also say why you think it wouldn't be real? TW belong in women's changing rooms, that's what people want right? So why would you then argue it is fake.

I see it so often. Women bring up figures of convictions for rape, etc.

Men bring up figures for how 'women lie' or 'women are manipulative'. Form of denial, at best.

I don't get the "it never happened" argument. No-one is suggesting that the transwoman did anything "wrong". The member of staff and woke man on the video made it quite clear that it was totally fine for a biological intact male saying they identify as a woman to go into the jacuzzi naked and sit next to a naked little girl. This is an everyday thing now. Why wouldn't it happen? We should expect it to happen a lot.