What are all the liberal celebs so quiet now at the spa?

yeahbutnaw: There's a message poster option. By all means use it

You seriously expect Datun to message you personally?

How would Wi Spa implementing strict safeguarding practices to protect 6 year old and 9 year old girls and women asking for this to happen make your life harder yeahbutnaw?

Tell us exactly, not in vague notions.

And now also

Is it acceptable that a male with a penis slip into the hottub naked with 6 year old girls yeahbutnaw?

if so, why?

@2021DNA

Please don’t try to diminish the impact that having genitalia waved in your face can have. It’s incentive and disrespectful to victims. It’s happened to me an I have the right to call it assault, regardless of what people like you think
I'm not. In my post, which you quoted in full before this, I say I regard it as a sex crime. Not sure why you ignored to that to create a fiction about what I said.

Why are you expecting women and girls to make exceptions or react differently depending on who is assaulting them? Assault is a assault
Again, I'm not. I'm saying that if anyone tries to make the argument that its ok for TW to be in changing rooms, but not sexual predators, then this is a bogus argument as the women and girls there cannot possibly tell the difference, so you can't expect their reactions to differ.

I can tell by the tone of your previous messages that you are clearly making assumptions about my views on this Well you have clearly and explicitly made assumptions about mine.

is visible penis and testicles acceptable in the obligatory-nude women’s spa, yes or no, yeahbut?

easy, simple question.

Also, how does someone saying they "lean right of centre" turn into a confession of right wing extremism?

Unlike sex, political viewpoints are a spectrum. It's not a binary.

We have told you why we cannot even name the person on this board otherwise we accrue strikes. It is almost like you know this and will continue to try to taunt Datun regardless.

Yeah you'd think people would know by now, that I'm immune to taunting.

I just want people to be able to talk. To be able to say what they want to say.

It's always so enlightening.

What has this got to do with males being naked getting into hot tubs with 6 & 9 year old girls? Something you have neglected to address at all.

And will continue to avoid.

I can't believe what I'm reading.

A woman has vocally spoken up about a person with a penis and testicles using the female facilities and exposing penis and testicles to women and little girls.

And there is someone here on mumsnet, in the feminist section, trying to discredit the woman who spoke up. This is exactly the same thought process we see in rape prosecutions, when the defence brings up the rape victim's sexual history!

This is disgusting.

You can't defend a person that doesn't exist.

Where is your proof that they didn't exist?
Where is your proof that such a situation couldn't have happened?

That's a no to the receipts then?

Haha! I genuinely find it baffling that randoms on the Internet think that I would waste my time pressing buttons on their behalf!

And also yeahbutnaw you seem to be under the erroneous impression that I think I need to convince you of something. When I self evidently don't. There's not a single person reading your posts that isn't quite clear that you believe everything we're saying! And everything that woman said. And everything that penis person has done.

You don't need persuading of anything at all. Every word you write shows that you're only too well aware that it's all horribly true.

And then everyone clapped?

@yeahbutnaw

That was one of the most disgusting parts of the video. Here is a woman asserting the right of women and girls not to have to be naked around naked men who are strangers, and that man, y'know the man who has no idea what it is like to live as a woman and to have had to deal with male sexual harassment your whole life, and to have known women who are sexually assaulted by men, as nearly all women will, and to know that these male sexual predators are bigger and stronger than you and opportunistic and entitled, this man who has NO experiential knowledge of any of this, seeks to humiliate a woman who is trying to assert boundaries for herself and other females in a vulnerable moment and that ignorant (in the real sense of the word) man sought to humilaite her by saying, ' I'm sorry you had to see a dick', and in that moment he mocked and humiliated all women who try to assert themselves and against sexually aggressive men who are pushing against their boundaries and safety, and other men laughed and clapped.

So if you thought that was a 'good' moment in the video then words fail me.

What do you believe was the sexual assault? I watched the video and I don't recall anything about contact being made? I mean, I think it is a form of sex crime if a man enters a female only changing space and enjoys being naked there and knowing the women/ girls have to accept it and enjoys being able to see them naked whether they wish to be seen naked by him or not.

Please don’t try to diminish the impact that having genitalia waved in your face can have. It’s incentive and disrespectful to victims. It’s happened to me an I have the right to call it assault, regardless of what people like you think.

But how are the women and girls meant to know if that is what is happening or if it is a genuine TW? How can one realistically expect them to have different emotional reactions, to know whether their response is fear/ alarm/ threat/ humiliation, or to be totally ok?

Why are you expecting women and girls to make exceptions or react differently depending on who is assaulting them? Assault is a assault.

If you are a vocal and public supporter of TWAW this is EXACTLY the sort of case you need to commenting on, as this is a real life example of the implications of TWAW in all circumstances and because they say they are, and yes, those public supporters of TWAW should be entering a conversation on this and yes, it is intellectual and moral cowardice not to.

I haven’t heard any celebrities comment on this. But I don’t watch the morning shows or play on social media so I may have missed something. But I can’t see anything on the news about celebrities from either side speaking up. I don’t have much faith in celebrities upholding the morals of society anyway.

I can tell by the tone of your previous messages that you are clearly making assumptions about my views on this. I’ve played a long to answer your question but in the interest of trying to make sure MN doesn’t look like a joke I feel there is a much bigger issues to discuss than if Sarah Silverman has put out a tweet.

There's a message poster option.

By all means use it.

No thank you. I don't speak for the others, but I have absolutely no interest in having any contact with you that is not on this board.

Because otherwise it sounds like you're just making more outlandish claims without providing any evidence.

Not at all, I have also seen the tweets. There was a person out there who seemed to claim that it was them.

Like the Wispa and lemon incident all over again.

WTF I ask again, how does a neighbour's kid conjure up a Wi Spa franchise in someone's back yard. And now there is supposedly a fucking lemon there as well. What, on top? Is it for cocktails or a special spa scrub?

What has this got to do with males being naked getting into hot tubs with 6 & 9 year old girls? Something you have neglected to address at all.

Still waiting on those receipts @Datun. I know you're probably busy but since you're so insistent about it, I'll wait here until you're ready.

Watching the twisting, turning and DARVOing of someone desperate to defend an adult male indecently exposing their penis in front of a young girl is depressing.

Still can't understand how rational, intelligent and empathic adults think that's an acceptable position to argue for. Oh wait.....

Yeahbutnaw:

Do you think there should, or should not, be a naked male in a women's and girls' sauna?

I'm finding it hard to tell.

[quote yeahbutnaw]@JediGnot

Great to see you using the same arguments as Trump with the Skittles analogy.

www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37416457

You consistently find yourself in right-wing company. Strange that.[/quote]
Go on, try to be the first TRA in history to actually try to make a point using logic reason and evidence, instead of just throwing slurs. I can assure you that I am left wing and used to be TWAW / be nice until I realised that your side have LITERALLY ZERO in the way of compassion for women, heterosexuals and gay people, and old school transsexuals for that matter, and LITERALLY ZERO in the way of good arguments.

@SpongeBobJudgeyPants a boycott (more male centric language)

????????? The term originated during the movement of Irish peasants against unfair evictions by Anglo-Irish aristocracy. Captain Charles Boycott, land agent for Lord Erne became a central figure when Erne sought to evict numerous peasant farmers following a poor harvest which led to Boycott being left without servants or service by any local merchants.

How would Wi Spa implementing strict safeguarding practices to protect 6 year old and 9 year old girls and women asking for this to happen make your life harder yeahbutnaw?

Tell us exactly, not in vague notions.

I think there are a few of us waiting for an answer to this.

By all means use it.

Because otherwise it sounds like you're just making more outlandish claims without providing any evidence.

Like the Wispa and lemon incident all over again.