What are all the liberal celebs so quiet now at the spa?

I posted this in another thread but it's more appropriate and relevant here

I wish people wouldn’t make this left vs right. I’m very left wing and I don’t support this at all, or quite a lot of what is happening to women at the moment.

The Conservatives started this culture war with their consultation to reform the GRA, and by making rude comments about the (mostly left wing) women who opposed it.

Indeed. And if we apply the bedfellows logic of TRA politics, that makes the Tories and TRAs chums and allies in their contempt for feminists.

As well as the Tories being the harbingers of self-ID (Theresa May campaigned for it) and devolving staff training to private activist groups.

This surely means that TRAs and various hangers-on and apologists are far-right extremists?

But to get back to the original OP, I'd definitely like to see celebs put their money where the mouth is.
Sam Bee, particularly. She was quite happy to have a go at JKR for god knows what. She should stick to her principles.

So you think it's perfectly rational for an anti-LGBT person to go to a known LGBT hotspot?
It's not a known LGBT hotspot, you absolute numpty. It's a well known Korean spa for families to which all sorts of people go.
And sure, there's no evidence of it happening.
Except that three separate women said it did.
Oh and the additional women asking for a refund in the first viral video.
And that the spa confirmed it
And that the person themselves has confirmed it was them and said they want to normalise female children seeing male genitalia.
Except for all that, sure, there's no evidence. Good grief.

Gender ideology rests on two pillars: that trans women are women (and TMAM) in every meaningful way, but that this cannot be externally/objectively confirmed, only self-described (self id).

Speaking logically, the possibility that opening up female-only spaces to trans women creates male-on-female risk boils down to two basic scenarios:

Scenario 1) Some trans women will behave more like cis men than cis women (using the words cis and trans here because I am framing the observation in gender ideological terms).

Scenario 2) Some male people who are not trans women will claim trans status to gain access to women and children..

Scenario 1 is rejected because that implies a meaningful difference between the trans - and cis- woman populations and the ideology says there is no difference.

Scenario 2 is rejected because that would be a valid reason to require objective proof of trans status and the ideology says there is never a valid reason for requiring proof of trans status.

Therefore, there is no risk that requires them to care about it in the first place, and anyone raising concerns can be comfortably dismissed as either well-meaning but misguided (“educate yourself”) or having a hidden, transphobic agenda.

The one thing they can't acknowledge is there are valid concerns because if even one situation exists where it makes sense to segregate by sex not gender and/or objectively prove a trans gender identity, the whole thing falls apart.

It's a perfect example of what happens when you try to fit an unrealistic ideology onto reality. You end up having to defend the patently absurd because if you acknowledge that any bit is absurd you acknowledge the ideology doesn't fit reality.

See also sports, prisons, 50/50 boards and all the other places where trans women have been lumped into the female category based on ideology without any evidence that their real-world needs and risks follow the same pattern as the original all-female group.

America sneezes and we catch a cold (with apologies).

The twerps on social media often forget that America does not have shared history, culture and experiences as is (let alone the rest of the world). The more I see, the less I like (and I was never anyone who was starstruck with all things America anyway)

I’ve just been reading a DM article (not something I’d have entertained doing a couple of years ago) about the protests outside the Spa and the Antifa lot turning up for a fight etc. Many of the comments on the article are going on about how America has gone to pot, Biden’s fault etc. Evidently many Brits see this as something that’s happening over the pond and have no idea that the TRA juggernaut is well in progress here too.

The common thread in all of this is Press for Change and Stonewall. It transcends party politics. Stonewall were successfully lobbying & championing the rights of gay men and lesbians when civil partnerships were introduced under Blair, they were similarly involved when Cameron introduced Gay Marriage - but Lynne Featherstone of the Lib Dems likes to crow about their influence on LGBT rights under the coalition. By the time the Tories won an overall majority Stonewall had a well established lobbying influence and was a well respected (in Westminster) org, Press for Change meanwhile were doing their thing for trans rights, and in 2015 their ambitions merged (because Stonewall had achieved pretty much everything it set out to from a legislative point of view and that's where they found a new revenue stream). I think it's a succession of credulous administrations failing to think critically about long term impact and not really giving a shit about women.

I'm not sure it's useful to look at this in terms of left or right. The Overton Window shifted to allow this to happen. That push was made by the left (probably with good intentions), the right are creating what they perceive to be popular policies within the new framework of acceptability. Both sides have become useful idiots fulfilling the agenda of misogynists, who have beliefs across the entire political and social/religious spectrum, and who come in all shapes, sizes and colours. The thing they have in common is their desire to advance the dominance of men over women. The women pushing back are from all along the political spectrum, not right wing conservatives as the usual suspects who pop up here like to argue. We are not all white, we are not all straight and we are not all conservative. And if we are white, straight, conservative and religious, our opinions are just as valid.

But why theinebriati ?

The Conservatives started this culture war with their consultation to reform the GRA, and by making rude comments about the (mostly left wing) women who opposed it.

But why is everyone so afraid to stand up to this stuff

Is it because it suits them for some reason ?

Now these men don't have to stand in the shrubbery in the cold and rain, they can sit right in front of their victims, completely naked and if the victim complains then the victim is the bad guy. What a terrible world the Left has created for women

Absolutely.

The looney Left have created a perverts dream come true.

This is all happening under a conservative government, as a result of a policy introduced by the Conservatives.
Its happening in the MOJ, the police, and MI5 which are hardly hotbeds of communism.

I have heard about this sort of thing happening often and women are afraid to say anything because they don't want to be called bigots. One store here made all its restrooms/loos 'gender neutral' and there have been cases where a girl has entered the restroom alone only to have a man, pretending to be a woman, follow her in and then expose himself.

The looney Left have created a perverts dream come true.

When I was a girl (in the 50's & 60's in England), there were men known as flashers who'd wait for a girl or woman walk past and then he'd expose himself to them. My mum encountered a few of them as she used to ride her bike home through a large park every day on her way home from work. Once, when I was older, she encountered one while walking our dog in the woods - this one was completely nude and showing off his wanking skills.

Mum told us to always point, laugh and run if we saw one. She explained the last thing they want is to be laughed at and that they were doing it for other nefarious reason.

So I grew up knowing that there are many perverts out there who have a deep need to show females their genitals and they get some kind of sick gratification from doing it.

Now these men don't have to stand in the shrubbery in the cold and rain, they can sit right in front of their victims, completely naked and if the victim complains then the victim is the bad guy.

What a terrible world the Left has created for women. Men can sexually exploit us under the law, beat us easily in all our sports and even win female beauty pageants.