Ms, Mrs, Mr

No of course they aren't! Which is why ms never really got off the ground. Loads and loads of women won't use it.

DH wears an engagement ring on one hand and s wedding ring on the other.. I don't wear any! Horses for courses.

I was interested, no criticism.

Some men don’t wear rings, but my husband does because that’s his way of showing others that he’s married.

I’m indifferent to whether men should/n’t have different single/married titles.

Women aren’t forced to use Mrs and that’s perfectly acceptable too.

Where I live and when I was young, men took the piss out of women who used it. Because they were obviously shouty awful man haters.

Hardly anyone uses it IME.

I don't understand the insistence that it's neutral/ widely used.

I accept your experience is different. Maybe you grew up in a different part of the country or in a different era.

I'm not sure how reporting the reaction to it, makes the women saying it sexist. Or have I misunderstood?

'As soon as I clicked the 'Ms' option I had to supply my 'unmarried name' as evidently the person designing the form had decided that Ms means divorced woman'

Yes I've heard this happens a lot. I wonder where it came from. It seems to be common but it's not what it means at all.

Table why do you want everyone to know you're married?

I understand a lot of women feel that way- my MIL was proud of being married. And she was really annoyed when she was addressed with no title as she found it disrespectful.

Do you feel that men should have different single/ married titles as well?

I used it since i was young.

Was it because so many people think it means divorced

Or

That you just wanted to use the same term as before you were married

No right or wrong, and definitely no judgement! Just interested.

Whereas I'd feel really weird using a special "married" title, its no one else's business.

I love the fact that I'm married too, wouldn't be caught dead using Mrs though.

I love the fact I’m married and I’m proud of the fact so to speak. I won’t be shying away from using Mrs

I don't think the two (pronouns and titles) are comparable.
Strangely though when I got divorced I went back to Miss, I didn't want to use Ms. I think this has a lot to do with wanting to get my full independence back after being in a long term abusive relationship. If I had used Ms it felt like I was still connected to him. However I don't use a title in my email, a lot of externals do reply Dear Ms. In fact I get put as Ms in quite a lot of situations.
I was reading a colleague's external email the other day to copy and she had put Mrs First name Surname and it just seemed really strange to me.

I don't understand why you'd put sex-denoting titles or pronouns in your email unless you wanted to flag up what sex you are. I can't imagine wanting to do that when women are treated worse than men in the workplace.

I don't think the two are similar at all. Stating pronouns does nothing to help women's equality, unlike using Ms.

I seem to rememeber the patriarchy riled against women asking to use the Ms title in very similar ways that people now have an issue with pronouns ( which everyone uses anyway, even with pets and ships )

I will add I don't think it will ever be achieved and Ms is making inroads but it will certainly in my lifetime still be loaded to so many people.
It's so depressing that we can't even have a title that just means women.

That might explain why it's more usual in the USA then.

It's not traditional at all, surely? I mean in the sense it's always been around and commonly used.

Like Miss and Mrs., the term Ms. has its origins in the female English title once used for all women, Mistress. It originated in the 17th century and was revived into mainstream usage in the 20th century.

Miss and Mrs., both derived from the then formal Mistress, like Mister did not originally indicate marital status.[6][7] Ms. was another acceptable abbreviation for Mistress in England in the 17th and 18th centuries.[8] During the 19th century, however, Mrs. and Miss came to be associated almost exclusively with marital status.[9] Ms. was popularized as an alternative in the 20th century.[10][11]

The earliest known proposal for the modern revival of Ms. as a title appeared in The Republican of Springfield, Massachusetts, on November 10, 1901:

It was supposed to be Mr/ Ms.

The end.

Didn't catch on though obv.

I would get rid of all titles TBH. They serve no purpose except to maybe signal position in society. Major, lord, etc etc

Names are fine.

Easiest thing to do with gender is have they for everyone. But that would be a hard change. Watching Wimbledon yesterday I was saying things like. She's got an amazing serve! OMG she nearly got that. Do I know the gender ID of the players?. Have their pronouns been confirmed? Have I asked them? No.

Sorry catching up.

'It's a traditional title and comes from the same root words as Miss and Mrs'

It's not traditional at all, surely? I mean in the sense it's always been around and commonly used.

It was not common when I was growing up, and it was most definitely taken esp by men that any woman using it was likely to be a dungaree wearing, man hating, angry feminist.

I thought it started being pushed in the 60s and gradually grew in use?

And thinking about it. I always used it. But I don't think I've come across many other women who did IRL. if I know of course! None of my friends do I don't think.

Maybe it's more common in other areas? I'm in London.

If you are gender critical, you are still referred to in the third person, so I don't see the issue with stating what your pronouns are. Many gender non-confirming non-trans women are misgendered, too.

I don't care if I'm misgendered. It's not the 'woe is me' moment that some people like to make out it is.

As to why people want to denote gender in an email signature, it's because people in high-powered roles (generally women) get misgendered, and it's irritating for them. If it doesn't annoy you, then it's not an issue for you.

Personally, I very much like PhDs putting "Dr" before their name - it's been really empowering for women.

I have no issue with Ms, Mx or Mr in email sigs, but if you are adding honorifics for the purposes of denoting gender, then Dr or Prof doesn't do that job.

Why would you need to denote gender in an email signature?