Female athletes and testosterone

It’s transphobic to have different legal levels of testosterone for women and transwomen. It’s based on biological sex which is not real but is a social construct. It’s really offensive to be basing any criteria on biological sex. Transwomen are women like any other and sex observed at birth should have no bearing on how any woman is treated in any area of life.

Cailleach1

Where did you get your info from?

The idea that women can dope with testosterone is so odd, where did you read it?

The OP is about the Olympics isn't it though?

Whose rules are quite frankly inconsistent sexist drivel that manage to insult both men and women.

No, women (human females) can’t dope with testosterone because it’s a banned substance. Trans men get a Theraputic Use Exemption for testosterone.

NiceGerbil World Athletics sets a lower testosterone limit than the IOC.

Have I misunderstood?

That women competing in the Olympics in some (which?) disciplines will be allowed to use artificial testosterone?

I find that unbelievable tbh. If it's true I really want to find out more.

The women from east Germany who were given testosterone had long term impact. The Olympics are ok with this from a fair competition pov, and also that if it's allowed then you wouldn't stand a chance without it, and the pressure on and long term damage to women that they would essentially be encouraging?

'An athlete's total testosterone level in serum must remain below 10 nmol/L throughout the period of desired eligibility to compete in the female category.

Compliance with the conditions may be monitored by testing, with non-compliance leading to eligibility to compete in events being suspended for 12 months.

The consensus statement will remain in place for Tokyo 2020, due to the ongoing consultation process and the inability to make a change while qualification for the Olympic Games is taking place.'

This is incorrect? I've googled a few times for threads over the months and never seen anything different.

Link?

Third try. I'm sure women in other races, where testosterone isn't deemed to give an advantage, will be able to dope without disqualification.

won't be disqualified.

If testosterone is too high how can they compete in some races but not others?

The IAAF decided that the 400m to 1 mile distances were the ones where elevated testosterone would give an unfair advantage.

That is good news for women who want to dope with testosterone then. If elevated testosterone isn't deemed to give an unfair advantage, I presume no female athlete will be disqualified for doping with testosterone.

Christine is 18 and holds the World U20 400m record @ 48.54s.

I wonder if that will be rescinded?

Why is allowed testosterone in those with DSDS half that of transwomen?

It isn’t in athletics - it’s also 5 nmol/l for trans women too.

CeCe Telfer was excluded from the US Olympic Trials because they hadn’t complied with this requirement.

PearPickingPorky makes a very good point - in April 2018 the IAAF (now World Athletics) issued new Eligibility Regulations for the Female Classification (Athlete with Differences of Sexual Development) to replace the previous Regulations Governing Eligibility of Females with Hyperandrogenism to Compete in Women's Competition.

So if the Namibian athletes have been excluded on the basis of these regulations, then they do have a DSD.

The regulations don’t apply to female athletes with hyperandrogenism as these women would still have testosterone levels below 5 nmol/l.

The top allowable testosterone level for a male to compete against women in within the normal male range.

Not in athletics, as the limit is lower at 5 nmol/l.

If testosterone is too high how can they compete in some races but not others?

The IAAF decided that the 400m to 1 mile distances were the ones where elevated testosterone would give an unfair advantage.

NiceGerbil, yes it makes no sense. It's a hangover from the history of it all rather than all decided in one meeting though.

What?

Why is allowed testosterone in those with DSDS half that of transwomen?

Why some races and not others?

Arrrgh! Can't stand illogic, inconsistency! Freaks me out.

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This image was shared on a thread from Twitter. 8 didn't save either link I'm afraid. It shows how low women's testosterone is, even in our fluctuating monthly cycle. Two limit 5 mg for DSD 10mg for transwomen is my understanding, women fall well below this.
Women can't take testosterone to bump up as it would be doping and it would make them ill.
Men can never have as low testosterone as women and all the benefits are had during puberty when they have their individual normal level of testosterone.
More info fr.om Fair Play for women.
fairplayforwomen.com/thighstrength/

If testosterone is too high how can they compete in some races but not others?!

Is it just, they pick whoever they want to race now?

In that case the competitions will only be for straight white women with big boobs soon. And a few male people.

Of course, it didn't take long before the "real" reason wh they cannot run the 400m - racism
It does seem to me, to be a huge coincidence that two athletes with high testosterone levels should have the same coach

twitter.com/heitahndeshie/status/1410712033465712648

Just to say again

The top allowable testosterone level for a male to compete against women in within the normal male range.

Also, if you Google, there are loads of scientific papers questioning the validity of the low normal level for men as being incorrect. Seems that it's not unusual for male people to have testosterone levels lower than the level in the tables. And that's just how they are.

The implication they are not men from the IOC is regressive and insulting to both men and women.

Beatrice Masilingi

twitter.com/TheNamibian/status/1383718716135772165/photo/1

Good heavens!
Christine Mboma runs 200m, 400m, 800m, 1,500m. Christine is 18 and holds the World U20 400m record @ 48.54s.
As wel as Mboma and Masilingi, there is also another athlete, Seyni of Niger who has the same "high testosterone" levels.

olympics.nbcsports.com/2019/09/30/aminatou-seyni-testosterone-rule/

www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=10689924

It looks as though the women's 200m will be filling up with "high testosterone" athletes.

And we don't know if they have received anything, or the promise of anything, to sweeten their cough. Think of FIFA.

@PearPickingPorky I didn’t know that!

I know it is awful to reduce people to their organs/genitalia…but if that is true it would have been so much clearer… two people with testicles (and possibly penises?) are sad that they cannot compete in the women’s race.