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Female athletes and testosterone

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Queuingroundtheblock · 01/07/2021 20:19

Just musing with a friend and we wondered - is the 10 nanomole testosterone limit for Olympic trans women athletes only for tw? Could women take testosterone to boost performance? I mean, obviously it's a really bad idea but just wondered if it's now allowed?

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GrownUpBeans · 01/07/2021 23:17

If a transman takes testosterone then reduces the level to 10nmol and identifies instead as non binary or female, can they compete as a woman?

Cailleach1 · 01/07/2021 23:08

I love where Harper refers to 'male like' advantage. No. It is literally male advantage.

Cailleach1 · 01/07/2021 23:03

Linda Blade is good on this. The males who want to compete against women may not even have to reduce their Testosterone to 10nm/L on a regular basis for the year before they compete against women. They won't have an implant monitoring or anything. If they get monthly blood tests, then there are products which you can take which will suppress a man's testosterone within 12hrs, practically to castrated levels. They only have a very temporary effect. So the male can train with way more than 10nm/L for the year ahead of entering sports against women.

So, you could say 12 times in a year, for a day or two, the males have to temporarily have a testosterone level of 10nm/L.

The IOC seem to love cheating when it involves males competing against women in women's sport and have bent over backwards to allow it.

Linda Blade has written a book. She has outlined how J. Harpers non peer reviewed casual self report review of 8 males who identified as women in later life was all the IOC went on to change women's sports for the whole world. Harper didn't even factor in effects of ageing in some instances. It was a decade or two so difference. Harper even discounted one piece of data which would not give the desired answer. Billions of women f*cked on that say so. Nequals8. Why is Harper on women's hour and the moral maze as an expert. Has no credibility and has given highly biased and compromised data and conclusions. May have been 2015.

nequals8.com

fairplayforwomen.com/dr-nicola-williams-debates-joanna-harper-the-primary-source-for-the-ioc-trans-inclusion-policy/

eurochick · 01/07/2021 22:43

If one accepts that transwomen are women then women must also be transwomen and therefore allowed to compete with up to 10nmol of testosterone in their bodies. 🤷‍♀️

Cailleach1 · 01/07/2021 22:40

10nm/L in men's range though, and the women would wreck their bodies. I don't know what level of Testosterone was used for doping in women behind the Iron curtain. It may have been much less than the men's range that the IOC have allowed in order to facilitate male bodies to enter women's competitions.

Billybagpuss · 01/07/2021 21:43

This is what the East Germans did in the 70s. It had very long lasting impact.

www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/the-state-sponsored-doping-program/52/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Krieger

BatmansBat · 01/07/2021 21:36

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/science/2019/oct/15/testosterone-boosts-womens-athletic-performance-study-shows

It seems like a testosterone increase by 4x in women still will be under what is allowed for transwomen. And it will increase female performance with 8.5%….

Redapplewreath · 01/07/2021 21:25

Isn't that horribly limiting their right to compete in the self that they choose? And sport is all about inclusion above all else? If the upper limit of testosterone has been put way above that of female people for women's sport then female people should have the right to dope up to the same levels permitted for other women.

OffYouGoNow · 01/07/2021 21:00

AFAIK - female athletes would be banned for life.

It’s almost as if authorities can work out decisions based on sex...

PennineSpring · 01/07/2021 20:48

They’ll be done for doping offences as testosterone is a banned substance.
Yeah, I know. Bonkers, ain’t it.

WotgunShedding · 01/07/2021 20:47

I was wondering similar. If they identified as non binary or even as a trans woman born in a cis woman’s body (forgive the terminology but am trying to phrase it so it fits in with the ideology the IOC is awash in) what’s to say they can’t take testosterone?

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