Employee using pronouns. Help!

Even professional sites such as LinkedIn encourage pronouns alongside your user name.

Gosh, if LinkedIn do it then we must all join in. Glad to know this.

Putting forward a 'house style' on the matter makes sense. He is in charge and her work emails do reflect on him- so he gets to choose.

You made me think about my own plans on this matter- in case the fad spreads.

If/when pronouns are required on my work emails:

'You' will be fine for now.

If I get right to the top of the greasy pole, I will probably prefer:

'Thee' or 'Thou'

As for the ones you use when I am not present... those are really not my affair.

Believing that men and women's identities are shaped by their sex and inherently different from each other can in no way be considered modern. Early 20th century perhaps.

I think your friend and his clients need to get with the times.
Even professional sites such as LinkedIn encourage pronouns alongside your user name.

Your friend and his clients are living in the dark ages.

And no, having she/her on an email signature won't make the company look stupid, it will make your company look modern and look like it considers staff wellbeing

He doesn't need to make it about the pronouns at all. Just point out there is a 'house style' signature and that she needs to adhere to it. Presume she is junior and wanting to make a good impression. Lots og young pronoun people don't even really know they are making an overtly political statement. She might well have learnt to do that at uni.

Well, that cleared that up, great answer lol

Well Quaggers, this whole thread is full of lots of explanations of why most people see gender ideology as highly sexist. I have yet to find an explanation of why it's not and it's interesting that you would chose to reply with a PA retort rather than an actual explanation. For it to make any sense you have to first explain why gender identity is. Please do so without using regressive gender stereotypes.

However I agree with your point about rejection of feminine men/masculine women.

Though it wouldn’t by the same token recognise heterosexual attraction?

No, but there is no pressure on heterosexual people to change their sexuality. Gender identity ideology suggests that a lesbian just needs to meet the right man and that there is something wrong with her if she insists that she is same sex attracted.

Similarly gender ideology is misogynistic because it doesn’t recognise the sex based oppression of women.

My work have just given us a new signature with pronouns. I don't usually use a company signature but have adopted it just to delete the pronouns and show a bit of non sackable resistance/solidarity to anyone doing the same.

The homophobia i think lies more in the implicit rejection of feminine men/masculine women.

Some people have identified that mandating pronouns in emails can force people uncomfortable with their sex and/or gender to 'out' themselves.

If they are optional then people can make their own choices. Everyone else can make their own judgements of the use of pronouns.

I can see a small benefit for someone who is non stereotypes conforming may choose to make it clear that they are male/female, and it may make some people feel more comfortable.

I personally wouldn't provide pronouns on emails as it implies I believe and support gender stereotypes and the boxes associated with gender. I'll woman any which way that I want thanks 😊

I think, as an act of one-upmanship against the woke girls displaying she/her, I would claim to be non-binary and use 'they/them'. It more closely represents how I feel about my innate gendered soul ie. I don't have one, and it would be entertaining to see how the management would dance around me and the woke girls would have their noses put out of joint because I'd be out-woking them.

Conversation at work today. One member of a large group meeting looked quite androgynous and my colleagues were speculating with each other afterwards as to whether they were male identifying as female. It never occurred to them that they were just a butch female, which is what they turned out to be. Isn't it going backwards, that a woman cant have short hair and present in an androgynous way without it being insinuated that she actually a male now? I mention this because there was discussion of pronouns, perhaps we should add them. These people, I have no doubt, are well-intentioned, but simply haven't thought very deeply about this and just want to do what they've been dictated is the right thing. If they try to push it, though, I'll have to object and say something.

If management suggests adding pronouns, it's safe to ignore it. If reminders are issued, keep promising, being awfully busy and forgetting.

If push comes to shove, I would submit "I/me/mine" and need lots of explanation as to why that was a problem!

Of people are saying that sex doesn’t matter - how on earth should gender matter? And why are they pushing it like it’s the be all and end all of human evolution?

My main objection to pronouns in email signatures is the potential to increase sexism. My understanding is that when you draw someone's attention to the fact you are female then they tend to take you less seriously, and assume you know less.

She very well could be harming the business.

I once turned down a client for a huge tender because my contact there had his pronouns in his email signature.

Well, that cleared that up, great answer lol

Again I think gender ideology is homophobic because it doesn’t recognise same sex attraction.

[quote Minezatea]@Quaggars
How do you not?[/quote]
Well, that cleared that up, great answer lol

[quote Cattenberg]@ArabellaScott, one of my colleagues has a swirly, purple signature that looks very nice and is identifiable at a glance. I like it. I suppose it’s OK, unless she’s emailing someone with visual or literacy issues. Also, it might not be very clear on printed or scanned documents.

However, the colleagues who are determined to shoehorn their BA (Oxen) or MSc (LSE) into their signatures, should know that other people do snigger at this. As bragging goes, its pretty transparent and it doesn’t make them more approachable to customers.[/quote]
Well, it probably depends. Some professions you kind of need to state your qualifications as a matter of course.

Some professions a swirly purple sig might be fine. Depends how the company/org is wrt branding and professionalism, really.

@Quaggars
How do you not?

“How do you get to that conclusion lol”

Among other things some of the comments on this thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4286302-LGBT-parliamentary-Discussion-1st-July

Refusal to recognise sexual orientation comes pretty high up the list.