Employee using pronouns. Help!

Putting pronouns in your own signature isn't forcing a gender ideology belief on others. Others are free to ignore them. She isn't asking anyone else to add pronouns.

Yes it is. I wouldn't allow anyone to make that kind of political statement when they're representing my company. Leave it at home.

Basically, it would be like a straight person making the entire convent announce their sexuality. The nun can't admit she's a lesbian can she? So who is going to end up feeling shit at the end of this? Who will end up feeling they scored a few woke points? So who is it actually for?

Agree 100 percent.

I totally agree that putting your pronouns at the end of the email is totally unprofessional in the work place. The same as signing off your email with any political agenda would be.

Your employer can simply say that “guys going forward we will have a new email template please can we all follow this specific one and without deviation” any issues after that then she is not following reasonable company policy. I would not tell her it’s because she’s using gender pronouns but simply that you want uniformity in the company.

I’m baffled by the amount of people saying there is nothing wrong with this, I work for a very big business who you would all know and if I ever signed off my emails with that I would be called out on it. I’m there to work and follow company policy, I’m free to show my identity in my own time

Yes, sorry, I was still thinking about the email signatures .

I think it may be difficult to change all languages. Some language have no pronouns, some have pronouns. Some languages have adjectives adjusted based on which pronoun is used. Some languages have multiple gender neutral pronouns which adjust adjectives. To completely de-gender languages may be a bit much.

All for the feel good email signatures though!

Best advice for businesses that don't want to offend their clients AND to foster a safe working environment for everyone is to never discuss sex, politics or religion. That would include pronouns, yes? While I'm rather progressive in politics, I have appreciated not knowing the political or ideological viewpoints of colleagues when working in very formal companies with cultures discouraging any discussion of sensitive topics. Frankly, sexual harassment was rarer because of this.

I successfully worked 3 years with a woman who I respected and we did great projects together. It was only after i left and became FB friends with her that I learned she was a massive Trump supporter. I'm very happy I didn't know this in the 3 years we worked together-it'd been less successful if we had known.

TL;DR Taking your whole self to work isn't good for anyone

It’s just sex/gender that is so fundamentally built into language that it’s impossible to talk about someone without it.

Not in Finland!

Are you seriously proposing that we can’t address racism or homophobia without special race- and sexuality- disclosing pronouns? Then why is sex/gender different?

But toffee, my understanding is that we put pronouns to show that we are allies. We just all put the same pronouns in and we all show that we are allies of everyone.

And we add an inclusive race statement as well, and an inclusive sexuality statement.

Three extra little lines on every single email….all identical, all signalling how much we care.

I have considered going gender neutral if I am pressurised at work to state pronouns but their current use as an ideological shibboleth puts me off.

I’d be happy to use gender neutral pronouns for myself today if they were read as “polite, gender irrelevant” and not “performative, non-binary”.

Of everyone had the same pronoun... there’d be no point would there?

But if everyone had the same pronouns they wouldn’t be disadvantaged.

And we could add an inclusive race marker as well, and an inclusive sexuality marker. Just so that we all know that we all are against bullying, racism and all sorts of phobias as soon as we get an email. It would make us feel good inside.

Women are disadvantaged when attention is drawn to their sex.

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/gender-inequality-man-woman-switch-names-week-martin-schneider-nicky-knacks-pay-gap-a7622201.html

And pronouns can get in the fucking sea fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

Yes! Mx and they /them

And “citizen of the world” instead of race?
And “sexual/non sexual being” instead of sexuality?

Just so we normalise everything and put less emphasis on what not is conforming. Then every time we see an email signature and they all are alike, we will know that everyone is equal.

This is why we should be pushing for gender neutral pronouns and honorifics

Or people who don’t identify with the norm can let people know their own pronouns etc

‘Sincerely Miss Daisy Pumpkin’ is enough, the only time it would matter if it was a case of ‘sincerely Mx Dave Johnson (they/them)’

I would definitely judge someone negatively if they had pronouns in their email sign off - I generally find it's a useful way of weeding out idiots.
I agree that it's as bad as referencing religion in your sign off, in fact many years ago a colleague was told not to do this - she would sign of stating she had you in her prayers. It was deemed inappropriate.

This is why we should be pushing for gender neutral pronouns and honorifics. Takes the whole thing away.

Yes, that's one solution. What are your suggested words - 'Mx' for honorific and 'they/their' as pronouns?

I find gender ideologists pushing the idea that the best way to support people who don’t meet gender norms is to place more emphasis on gender….surprising

If there's a corporate template for e-mail signatures then I would suggest that she uses it rather than using whatever she feels like.
Although at a former workplace the template was ignored by many, including senior management.

I still don’t really see the difference… I mean does it really matter how people refer to you when they never met you? I have been misgendered by people I’ve never met. That is ok. They won’t do it again. I would assume it is the same with pronouns. They refer to people with the wrong pronouns first and then when out right not again.

I think pronouns is a bit like showing that you are on the right side. In that sense it makes sense to also state race and sexuality if we state pronouns.

If the employee is largely dealing with a conservative client base, this means they will not be in a position to "out" themselves as trans. And they will be living in their "assigned sex at birth". So at best the employee is showing off her "cis" privilege by being allowed to announce her perfectly obvious pronouns. If she were trans and still using her former name, then yes, it might make sense for John to say "she/her" in her signature.

Basically, it would be like a straight person making the entire convent announce their sexuality. The nun can't admit she's a lesbian can she? So who is going to end up feeling shit at the end of this? Who will end up feeling they scored a few woke points? So who is it actually for?

similar to wearing a crucifix or something - she's allowed to express her belief. Time enough to challenge it if she makes any steps in the direction of telling everyone else to wear crucifixes.

I'd think it was massively inaprooritate for a person to put a cruicifix in their sgnature though. Wear a badge if you must or a snazzy shirt, if the dress code allows. But there is usually a protocol for signatures.

Putting pronouns on emails is akin to saying "I believe there is a fundamental difference between women and men and I support an ideology which has been used to oppress women - and indeed men - for centuries". It in not way is anti-trans and it's quite frankly childish to say so. If people feel it's important to know what gender they identify with, they can sign their signature with Ms/ Miss/ Misses. There is no need to state your allegiance with sexist ideologies and, of course there will be some clients who are put off - both those who are more old-fashioned and just don't like it, but also those who feel genuine fear at the increased risk to women and the demolition of the protections women have fought for for more than a century. It would make me think twice about having any dealings with the company and I am not anti-trans even if I will never understand what is means to 'feel like a woman' (said as a female person who has no problem with being female but does not believe in this group think ideology).