Employee using pronouns. Help!

And how you would address people. A child may use Mr / Mrs to address a teacher directly. Adults don't tend to address eachother in this way directly.

If she’s new and still on probation can he let her go, no reason necessary?

If he fusses about the pronouns directly he’s opening himself up to having his company destroyed when she goes on twitter and complains.

So the OP isn't a grown-up then - there are 11 pronouns in the OP?

I was talking in the context of addressing people in emails, as per the op.

But whilst you're about it, why don't you count them right through the thread. Keep yourself busy.

It’s not hurting anyone, it’s showing support for your colleagues.

It's hurting women. It's entrenching oppressive ideologies and sexist stereotypes.

It shows support for people who believe in gender. It does not show support for the vast majority of people who don't.

I have never added Miss/Mrs to my name at work either. My marital status has zero bearing on my work. As does my gender identity or lack thereof.
I'm not interested in anybody else's either!
I have occasionally been asked at work if I was Miss or Mrs and have refused to answer. I think I turned it round and asked why it was relevant? Just use my name.

It’s not hurting anyone, it’s showing support for your colleagues.

It's hurting women: legalfeminist.org.uk/2020/07/19/pronouns-compulsion-and-controversy/

Hit post too soon. To get to round this issue OP your friend could quite easily say that the company policy on individual signatures will be the following template.

My brother says he's non binary but since he's never going to hear me speak about him when he's not around I I don't think it matters what I use.
Everyone in the family uses him/he when we mention him because to us that's what he is.
If there was ever a reason to use pronouns for him in front of him I would use his preferred pronouns but since we have very little to do with eachother I doubt it will ever arise.

This makes me go hmmm.

I’ve never done this, but also work in a huge international company where you’re encouraged to bring your whole self to work. Some people use pronouns, others don’t. It shows that you’re an ally.

It’s not hurting anyone, it’s showing support for your colleagues.

If I worked in a company where this was not the case, like some PP saying use standard template, etc. Well, not the company for me, but variety is the spice of life.

pronouns are used in everyday speech to refer to people

But only usually people who aren't there, so does it really matter if they're wrong? If I accidentally misgender someone who I've never met and will never know about it, is it really a problem?

We have a standard team signature which keeps everything standard and non-political (with a small p). It’s a professional environment where pronouns, marital status, non-professional titles, allegiances to particular religions or political leanings are superfluous to requirements.

I think it would be tricky to ask any employee not to add pronouns to email. Don't get me wrong, I hate all this pronouns bullshit and I do judge people who put pronouns in their email signature, twitter bio, zoom name. I judge very harshly . I just don't know how you'd ask an employee not to do it.
Would it be wrong to say that a client had complained/queried it and use that as an excuse to suggest she stops doing it?

Toffee, I do know what you mean.

I personally would fee uncomfortable disclosing any personal details (including gender, politics, sexuality etc).

However, there seem to be a lot of people out there who needs to feel included and validated. If these people would feel better know that I had a pronoun, that I had a race, that I had a sexuality (including asexual) and that I was against any kind of discrimination, I would add that at the bottom of my emails - as long as everyone else did it as well.

Maybe that would make everyone feel included? As we all would have the same statement?

If this was the other way round, and someone was being asked to use a company template including pronouns against their will, would you so freely be advocating dismissal for non-compliance?

I don't think you can compare a neutral position to one which clearly supports a cause. In the same way that it's perfectly understandable to ask somone to remove a reference to their religion in their email signature, but asking them to include a preferred religion would be massively unreasonable.

but that pronouns are used in everyday speech to refer to people

They really aren't. Apart from at school. Grown ups tend to use actual names.

^ignore the random 'always' in my post above.

No you'd say "Sam called and asked about an invoice, did you send it out yesterday?" No pronouns required.

Well, that's a rather vague way of putting it. Its efficacy would depend on how many invoices you send out in a day and whether the named person's always invoice goes to the named person.

In any event, the point I was making wasn't that there are no ways to refer to people without a pronoun, but that pronouns are used in everyday speech to refer to people, whereas race and gender aren't - so the example of adding race or gender to an email isn't relevant or analogous.

That lawyer who became a cat in the zoom meeting might have needed pronouns though.

Yeah, agree that 'bring your whole self to work' is doing more harm than good at the moment. There's a whole middle ground between 'never mention who you're married to or what religious festival you're celebrating at the weekend' and 'tell your coworkers about your fetishistic sex practices' (literally happened at my workplace, thanks Pride month). Bring an appropriate amount of yourself. This may be more or less, depending on whether neutrality is key to the job, i.e. teaching.

If I encountered an org where everyone used pronouns-in-sig (not just the woke new recruit, all the way up to senior leaders), I would get the impression that:

1. they offer a hostile working environment to women,
2. they consider clarity of communication, free verbal expression and disability inclusion in language an afterthought, and
3. they are unaware of current market operating conditions / 'way the wind is blowing' and their business practices will reflect this

I wouldn't get 'this organisation is inclusive'; I would get 'this organisation has problems'

I experienced for the first time today someone putting their pronouns up in a Zoom meeting - a young woman, she/her. As the only one doing it, it seemed to draw all focus to her, probably why she was doing it. The virtue signalling instantly got my back up, and I was proved right in my reaction. This woman proceeded to lecture and patronise the other older people in the meeting, basically teaching her grandma to suck eggs, interrupting the chair to tell us what we should and shouldn't be doing. In conclusion, I find pronouns incredibly helpful in indicating who I need to avoid like the plague.

You'd say: 'Miss Smith called, did you send the invoice to her yesterday?'

How very old fashioned of you. These days you generally refer to them by their name, either first name or first and last name. I haven't used pronouns to address people for over 25 years. Probably more.