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Is this a woman lead movement?

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dyslek · 01/07/2021 09:58

I have been wondering this for a while.

Is the current 'Trans' movement, and therefore all its, lets say, issues, a woman lead movement?

From the initial inovators to the current youthful enforcers, have and do women play a critical role in our own subjugation?

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AnotherLass · 01/07/2021 12:45

My explanation is simpler than Biggs's - it isn't about blank slatism or exactly that women are socialised to be nice, it is that women, particularly young women, have a greater tendency to put the immediate desire to please people above longer term considerations. You see it in so many places that it is hard to deny it.

However, as we get older I think we mature out of it to a great extent.

AnotherLass · 01/07/2021 12:31

This piece by Michael Biggs contains some useful facts and figures on this. Provocative though. I don't agree with his explanation. But in general I respect Biggs.

quillette.com/2019/08/01/how-feminism-paved-the-way-for-transgenderism/

midgemagneto · 01/07/2021 11:43

Difference between women led and women participating

I see no evidence that women more than men are active in support of generally prioritising gender over sex

Mermoose · 01/07/2021 11:36

have and do women play a critical role in our own subjugation?

Is it a way to escape the subjugation of the group, by 'identifying with' the subjugators?

donquixotedelamancha · 01/07/2021 11:27

have and do women play a critical role in our own subjugation?

Unquestionably so. The leading intellectual apologists of Genderism are women. Many women are amongst the most aggressive proponents.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 01/07/2021 11:14

A lot of perfectly sensible women with trade union backgrounds and similar pedigrees of admirable community action support this.

mirandayardley.com/en/the-miranda-yardley-index-on-censorship/

mirandayardley.com/en/unison-and-the-hypocrisy-of-the-british-left/

I can't recall who has a thoughtful piece about it being inadequate to ascribe it to internalised misogyny and dismiss such women supporters as handmaids. I thought the name was Hope Pink or similar?

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dyslek · 01/07/2021 11:05

I still think its a question worth asking.

Gender Idology, and wokedom in general, do seem to be a powerful reassertion of mens (and class) dominance over society, and the day to day lives of women, children and even working class men to some limited extent. And I do think there are many aspects at play, from different groups in society.

But, to be totally honest, would we not be indulging in the same kind of identity politics fantisy island bs if we dont acknowledge that women play a huge roll in this movement.
I think we need to explore it, even if it looks like women are used as
accaptable visablity for the movement that still means women are coluding in their own suppression and we need to talk about that.

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OhHolyJesus · 01/07/2021 10:14

No, it is lead by men. It is a Men's Rights Movement with some women as 'Trojan horses'.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 01/07/2021 10:13

Is the current 'Trans' movement, and therefore all its, lets say, issues, a woman lead movement?

It's woman enforced - in the same way as women police the decisions by family members (eg, husbands) who cut off children and say that no-one can ever talk to them again. The women are the ones who do the social arrangements and never invite the ostracised person, police any others who contact them etc.

By and large, it looks like women who are reporting each other, policing the signing of pledges, wearing of lanyards, trying to get other women removed from charity trustee positions etc.

33feethighandrising · 01/07/2021 10:12

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