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I immediately knew who this would be , before reading the report. Community care is not working and this man kill a women at some point. Thank goodness he is not in a women’s prison right now.

sounds like should be sectioned, for the public protection.

Or gender identified women. Whichever you prefer.

It's only you who has said 4000 isn't it?

The figure was through men completing questionnaires.

I wonder how they'll repurpose all the urinals? And how will the penis-havers manage without?

Imagine being a woman sharing a cell and having to listen to a man penis-haver doing Niagara impressions in the middle of the night with no door between you. Though that would probably be the least of your worries. 🙄

@Imasoulman, yes, where does that 4000nfigure come from? I never mentioned it.

Latest data I found says 3.4k women in prison in the UK. That's not 4k.

And the 1in 50 gives you approx 1.5k.
So perhaps it's more like 1 self-identified transwoman trying to get in to every 2 women there already, though of course you'd have to reckon those who have already successfully transferred as extras on the trans side and deduct them from the women's figure.

Either way, if they were all allowed to transfer, you'd have to build new prisons to hold them, or perhaps it would just be easier to empty an entire male prison to make room and shunt the remaining male prisoners who aren't self identifying as women into the gaps left all over the place by the ones who are.

Is this sounding silly enough to you yet? It's sounding pretty silly to me. And pretty frightening to the women prisoners who are going to find upwards of 1 in 3 of their fellow inmates are penis-havers with superior physical strength and grip and often dubious intentions.

If it carries on, I think courts and juries and judges will be increasingly reluctant to incarcerate women at all and the transwomen can fight it out amongst themselves.

1 in 50 of 80,000 UK male inmates is 1600.

Yes it is "maths"

78250 men in prison, divided by 50 = 1565

The real figure will be much lower but if we accept it at face value then where did the approx 4000 come from ?

1 in 50 of the total men in prison. It is just math.

Thank you, I had seen that report already but it doesn't mention the approximate 4000 figure that I was interested in reading about.

Google will be your friend

HM Chief Inspector of Prisons report.

www.google.com/search?q=prison+watchdog+50+transgender+&client=ms-android-samsung-gs-rev1&sxsrf=ALeKk026YwVgBzoVTzFb2rQl-YHQ2eNVXQ%3A1625087518225&ei=Ht7cYKKjDYeEhbIPi4u8MA&oq=prison+watchdog+50+transgender+&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAM6BAgAEEc6BAgjECc6BggAEBYQHjoFCCEQoAE6BAghEBVQlkBY2pUBYLiaAWgBcAF4AIABZ4gBpAqSAQQxMy4ymAEAoAEByAEIwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp

Sorry you struggled to look

Thank you, but I still can't see the figures stating there are in the region of 4000 transwomen in or trying to get into womens prison

[quote Clymene]You can follow links from FPFW @Imasoulman. I'm sure you don't like their politics but they are always scrupulously fair and honest.

So much so that the BBC found they'd underestimated: How many transgender inmates are there? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42221629[/quote]

I'm actually very much in favour of the stance that FPFW take, I'm forever arguing for single sex spaces etc.

I try to be a feminist allie and take the feminist argument to the Trans community but it feels like a thankless task sometimes.

Thank you for the link but still no mention of these approximately 4000 transwomen in or trying to get into womens prisons.

committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

This do you, @Imasoulman ?

Why the hell is this recorded as female crime? Our rates must be way up on previous years. Plus I guess there must be a new category for female rapists since a requirement for such an offence is a penis.

Oh no, I forgot, rape is pretty much legal in the UK.

Please help me out with a link

Not tonight, I'll check back tomorrow.

You can follow links from FPFW @Imasoulman. I'm sure you don't like their politics but they are always scrupulously fair and honest.

So much so that the BBC found they'd underestimated: How many transgender inmates are there? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42221629

This bloke WILL kill a woman one day. And the Met will say lessons have been learned.

I have looked and can only find male / female population figures.
The only mention of trans numbers was from the Pink Press and obviously they are not going to be a balanced source.
Please help me out with a link

Sorry, posted just links. According to this study (which I believed was summarised for parliament) transwomen offend at the same rate as men whereas transmen seem to offend at a higher rate than women.

committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21364939/

I would just be interested to see those stats and how they are gathered.

From crime figure and prison population figures from the MoJ, from evidence given to Parliamentary committees, from research done by various organisations and groups.

The JR against the MoJ has insisted that the MoJ provide accurate figures of all TW within the female estate with or without a GRC and those figures had to be presented by 12th March.

He's obviously a bloke, but I don't think that makes any difference to him being violent. He's just got mental health problems and they're not currently treated properly.

When did I say that I was disputing anything ?

I would just be interested to see those stats and how they are gathered.

Can you not do a bit of research/googling yourself Imasoulman? The figures and evidence for NewlyGranny's post have been shared on this Board numerous times, if you want to dispute what NewlyGranny is saying why don't you come up with evidence to the contrary?