Transgender people have an average life expectancy of 30-35, or lower

Mishy. As usual, you are mistaken.

This thread is about accuracy in statistical claims being made by a group of people for political reasons.

Why do you not want to know that trans people in the UK can expect to have a long life? What purpose do YOU have in perpetuating falsehoods?

And yes, the increased health risks to female transitioners is of major concern to many people here. Particularly those with female teenagers, Mishy. Do you have a teenage daughter that you are concerned about?

Do you wish to shut parents of teenage females up and simply have them believe the falsehoods being spread?

So, your Is this issue really impacting you that much, that this is where you get to. Sad. pretty much shows everyone what your intentions actually are. Please continue to post, because it really is enlightening to all.

It's quite scary if anyone thinks their cause is so righteous that any lie is justified in support of it. And anyone calling out the lies needs to be denounced.

That's totalitarian behaviour. Very dangerous.

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This is the Marcus Evans paper. It has a section that might be of interest.

www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bjpsych-bulletin/article/freedom-to-think-the-need-for-thorough-assessment-and-treatment-of-gender-dysphoric-children/F4B7F5CAFC0D0BE9FF3C7886BA6E904B

You people are actually quite scary. Debating murder stats and arguing over whether trans people are justified in calling out themselves as a minority suffering prejudice and lower life expectancy.

Wow. Is this issue really impacting you that much, that this is where you get to. Sad.

But this is simply one of those mistakes that grew legs and arms and a head and ran off with the truth.

If you follow the sources of this claim, it was an interview with someone talking about black murder victims in the US. There was a reference to where that stat came from, and of course the source was concerned with the average age of a murder victim of that very specific group (black male homosexual transsexuals in the US).

That specific stat then got smeared across completely different groups of transgender individuals (who are not black, male, US-residents, homosexual or transsexuals).

The misrepresented number has shock value, which gives those using the number power in a debate. A bit of maths is also all you need ro show this stat is claiming an impossibility.

From empirical data on non-homosexual transsexuals we know that their median age of transition is mid-40s to mid-50s. Even more research data shows that they outnumber homosexual transsexuals by around 9 to 1.

So, if you took that 35 number at face value, to arrive at it mathematically, as an average life expectancy, an awful lot of people would have to die before they are born (minus numbers only working in maths obviously, not in real life).

But I don't think facts really matter when the shock value of a misunderstood number brings more results.

Back in the eighties and nineties I was a mental health nurse and we admitted a few men who were then described as tramsvestites but who wished to transition to being a woman .
This was seen as a benign delusion which may alleviate other mental health issues so was supported in the main .. There was no talk of it being an actual biological fact..however if a woman with anorexia was admitted at 4_5 stone and stated she was fat and obese there was no pandering g to that as a benign delusion at all ...
Psychiatry and care may have moved on but I still harbour the thought that transideation is a delusion ans not so benign after all .

- I am positing the theory that, for some people, transitioning feels like an escape route out of often hideous circumstances, which then turns out not to be true. So instead of dealing with suicidal feelings, it may well intensify them.

It has been documented that this is the case. There was a paper about this last year in Cambridge press I think. (Was it Marcus Evans?).

And this one

journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/26344041211010777

Published April 22, 2021
Kasia Kozlowska, Georgia McClure et al

Australian children and adolescents with gender dysphoria: Clinical presentations and challenges experienced by a multidisciplinary team and gender service.

The clinicians worries are that affirming only is not working and is causing harm. But they are denounced as transphobic for saying so.

Anecdotal in the main, but with some professional experience (I'm a therapist).

Re: suicide, which will affect life-expectancy figures:

• All of the transpeople I know have mental health issues - some of them profound.
• These mental health issues started before each of them transitioned, and were largely brought about by experiences during childhood.
• I am positing the theory that, for some people, transitioning feels like an escape route out of often hideous circumstances, which then turns out not to be true. So instead of dealing with suicidal feelings, it may well intensify them.

Lies, damn lies & TRA statistics

On the other hand it is true that same sex marriage does not exist in most of the world and it is true that despite a whole month of 'Pride', this wasn't really a focus.

Wouldn't want to embarrass Sainsbury's and their majority shareholder.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Qatar

My friends (early 20s) DD has just shared this screenshot on Insta. I know from previous conversations with her that there is no point trying to explain that it just isn't true. She's very much TWAW and that's all there is to it. :(

It's fucking disgraceful that adults are allowing this to happen

I agree. How many posters have we had here that downplay the risks to females. I have been given a strike for implying there is discrimination against females being perpetuated by certain groups. There are even one or two posters who tell us their internet transmen friends have ‘no problems.’ Like we are making it all up.

And then we hear the detransitioner stories where they tell us that the trans community won’t discuss the negative side effects. They can’t. They dismiss any stories that don’t fit the narrative.

So there seems many who suffer in silence.

Unfortunately junipertree those interested in transitioning or the cosmetic appeal of ‘t’ aren’t doing that google search. I wish they would.

Instead, we are seeing the glamorization of taking testosterone. It reminds me of the anabolic steroid issues.

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happen.

The adult males who transition after a lifetime of their bodies having the correct sex hormones and developing fully functioning sex organs will be used as the comparator. Plus, as we know, males can say they are trans without actually doing anything to their bodies

They get NOTHING like the damage done to young female bodies being put through menopause before they've even finished puberty. Atrophy, more risk of stroke/heart disease/cancer/osteoporosis/dementia.

It's fucking disgraceful that adults are allowing this to

It's really incredible. We look at past healthcare scandals and tragedies and think we've learned so much since then, that our doctors are somehow more responsible and far sighted and vigilant, but it's happening right now with cross sex hormones and puberty blockers. A doctor giving testosterone to a young woman with zero knowledge of the long term consequences is guilty of medical negligence imo.

Blimey, what about all the MTFs who don’t even start transitioning till their forties and fifties?

I’d question how anyone could be stupid enough to write that out and Tweet it without querying it, but then “sex is a spectrum” springs to mind. There is a startling deficit of reasoning among this crowd. They seem to parrot things they’ve heard without understanding what they’re saying.

How ironic that they ask people to ‘look at the stats and do your research.’
That’s a really fucking good idea mate, why didn’t you look at the stats and do some research before posting this horrible image, frightening people unnecessarily and damaging your own cause by making yourself look untrustworthy

Had 'gender' clinic kept track of their patients we could have long term data at this point, from the early genital surgeries to the hormone treatment (though the puberty blockers are quite new other existing approaches to transsexuals aren't).

But they didn't, so we don't. Even recent studies haven't kept track, so we could be waiting a long time before we have any long term data is produced but I would place bets on what it would say.