Transgender people have an average life expectancy of 30-35, or lower

ah ok!

I mean the statistics around life expectancy

Why is it not true? By definition if you have a media platform you are not socially disenfranchised.

Well even if that were true (it’s not) it doesn’t mean that we should give them anything and everything they ask for

It seems to me that the active TRAs I see having their voices heard online and in the media are actually rather high in social capital.

thecritic.co.uk/neither-marginalised-abused-nor-vulnerable/

This article explains some of this as it relates to the UK

@KeflavikAirport it's based on a Swedish survey from 2016.

Reasons are varied, but autistic people with LDs have a shockingly low life expectancy. Suicide rates for autistic men in particular are a lot higher than general population. Non-verbal autistic people have huge difficulties accessing treatment. Diabetes is much higher. And autism is often a co-morbidity with other life limiting illnesses - obvs in that case it's not the autism per se that would cause the early death.

This thread has all of the answers that people need.
There are explanations and links to show where these figures came from and how they absolutely do not mean that being a transwoman means you are likely to die in your 30s. It's nonsense.

OK this suggests 39.5 years for people with severe autism and associated comorbidities: www.thinkingautism.org.uk/addressing-poor-health-high-death-rates-in-autism/

I'd need to see some really good sources to believe that. Are we talking UK? Worldwide?

Not read the whole thread but I did autism training recently that said the average life expectancy of someone with autism was around 35.

Really interesting, FlyingOink, thank you.

ferippi.tumblr.com/post/660499183294365696/tras-like-to-use-the-statistic-that-trans-life
And within this:
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Second link is in Portuguese.

Again, to reiterate, the "35" number is the average age of trans murder victims (somewhere).

Which is the same as the average age of all murder victims, pretty much everywhere.

Or, indeed, the average age of anyone...

Life expectancy across the board in Liberia was 42 not so long ago.

This might be the case in the favelas of Brazil, but every transperson I see is a middle-aged trans-identifying male.

Well, I have just been educated re. the 35 year life expectancy fact (for another South American country). When I said I knew where the number came from, they retorted with - 'that's old, a new study shows the same'. I asked for a link, which I read and, as expected, did not mention life expectancy at all.

The unwillingness of the members of these closed communities to go beyond their thought reform restrictions and consider matters properly and read around is alarming. The refusal to participate in discussion but to restrict themselves to delivering packages of pre-interpreted thought and phrases is essential to their continuing membership of that community and it makes it very difficult to influence them or engage them.

Unfortunately, because of the captured nature of the policy making, the consequences of this misinformation do not have a natural limit to their scope but affect people outside their communities and the harms are substantial.

Robert Lifton's 8 criteria of thought reform: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4382551-Live-not-by-lies-Solzhenitsyn-no-tambourines-involved?msgid=111900052

This figure is the average age of murder victims. Not life expectancy.

Well, I have just been educated re. the 35 year life expectancy fact (for another South American country). When I said I knew where the number came from, they retorted with - 'that's old, a new study shows the same'. I asked for a link, which I read and, as expected, did not mention life expectancy at all.

I did a bit of reading and it seems that several 'studies' in Argentina, Chile, Colombia and Mexico have been come up with this exact same number. Does anyone know if they are all in fact misquoting the Brazilian numbers?

@TheHeathenOfSuburbia, I too asked similar questions - are these suicides? homocides? are there other comorbidities? I was told the 'cause of death was not relevant, what's important is that they are a vulnerable population'.

@MishyJDI
I'm a medical researcher with an interest in politics.

When I see a statistic like that, my reaction is to think, shit, that's terrible!
Is it true across the board? What's causing the deaths?
Let's go to the source, look at the data, and see what factors are impacting on that and what action we could take to change them.

Are you saying my reaction should be to say, 'tsk, bloody transphobes' and move on? I'm not sure how that helps?

Wouldn’t it be grand to have some accurate statistics for that very purpose…

Life expectancy for transwomen?

My point about trans women in Asia was are they are included in the stats?

What stats? The average age at which transwomen are murdered in Latin America (which is also, oddly, higher than their reported average life expectancy there)?