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Am I non binary?

190 replies

YesClemFandango · 29/06/2021 17:05

Not a TAAT but it got me thinking.... Am I non-binary? I reject gender stereotypes. I would prefer a neutral title (working on it!). I wear clothes that could be considered typically masculine or feminine. To be honest at my age I'd feel a bit odd calling myself non-binary, but I wonder if it's short hand for how my peers understand my views (I'm a student)? How can I check?

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Irishmom7 · 29/06/2021 22:02

I think you can also be non binary if you are a totally feminine woman. Because you are what you say you are, regardless of any objective fact. So I can be a non-binary ballerina who only wears pink and uses she her pronouns. Because I say I am. So yes, it’s pretty meaningless.

sweetkitty · 29/06/2021 22:00

In case you missed the boy mode and girl mode was pure sarcasm - sometimes writing it online you miss it Grin

sweetkitty · 29/06/2021 21:58

I was thinking I’m like Eddie Izzard some days I’m in jeans and a t-shirt, no make up hair tied back, I watch the football with DH and do a bit of DIY with my drill, this is my “boy mode” days. Other days I’ll have a dress on, make up, hair down, might go shopping, do a bit of baking, housework “girl mode” days.

I think most of us have days like these and a whole load in-between, like others had said purely gender stereotypes. I don’t understand transgender then if gender isn’t really a thing, surely it should be trans-sex and you can’t change biological sex from the one you are born with?? Confused

I have this face Confused a lot just now

EastWestWhosBest · 29/06/2021 21:49

See I was thinking about this the other day.
People will say they are 'living as a woman' but I don't know what I do every day that makes my life as a woman different to my husband''s life as a man.

Wallpapering · 29/06/2021 21:42

I doing it wrong then as been winging it for over 40yrs with my personality.

Kanaloa · 29/06/2021 21:28

It sounds like you’re just a regular person. I mainly wear jeans and (men’s) sweatshirts. I’m still very much a woman. I also don’t think telling people you are non-binary would explain your views, although I’m not totally sure what you mean by that.

PickAChew · 29/06/2021 21:26

I think you'll find that actual barbies and action men don't exist, so we're all non-binary.

TheElementsSong · 29/06/2021 21:24

@Sophoclesthefox

But of course you couldn’t be non binary, 00100001 🤣 haha, that’s really tickled me, I’m imagining how confusing it would be if you were non binary 🤯
Excellent! GrinGrinGrin
00100001 · 29/06/2021 21:22

@Sophoclesthefox

But of course you couldn’t be non binary, 00100001 🤣 haha, that’s really tickled me, I’m imagining how confusing it would be if you were non binary 🤯
😂😂
Sophoclesthefox · 29/06/2021 21:14

But of course you couldn’t be non binary, 00100001 🤣 haha, that’s really tickled me, I’m imagining how confusing it would be if you were non binary 🤯

00100001 · 29/06/2021 21:03

Non-binary is the epitome of why all the gender identity thing is utter bollocks.

"I'm not a man or a woman, because I don't like skirts and I am not enjoying wearing the shirt and tie combo"

It's madness.

At some point this movement is going to start gatekeeping what a woman is, what a man is etc. And it will hopefully all fucking crumble because it DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.

What makes that male a woman? Wearing a fres? Putting on make-up? What makes that female a man, wearing wide jeans and drinking pints??

Gender is a social construct.

Sex is real.

It's bit like your height measured in cm and whether you think you're tall or not. It's all fucking relative and bollocks.. you telling me you think you're tall, doesn't change the fact you're 5'6".

You might be a tall female in some places. Bit others, you're perfectly average. And indeed some places you'd be considered short. Call yourself whatever you want. But you're still 5'6".

ufucoffee · 29/06/2021 20:57

No. You're not.

TheElementsSong · 29/06/2021 20:50

I'm definitely non-binary genderfluid.

I rarely wear makeup, I'm usually in jeans, t-shirt and trainers both at home and for normal days at work. But sometimes I do wear dresses and heels and accessories, I'm told I scrub up nicely. My hair is of intermediate length, being a shortish bob.

Although DH cuts lawns and hedges and does the majority of the day-to-day cooking, I am the one who is better at baking cakes, biscuits and bread. Also, I do more of the household cleaning. But, I'm also the one who wields the powertools when furniture needs to be assembled, and I do the household decorating.

Also DH is the main breadwinner and I'm the little wife who works part-time. But my job is STEM rather than, say, fluffing feather boas.

The only problem is that I think gender is a load of socially-constructed oppressive quasi-religious bollocks, and that what humans have is (1) a biological sex and (2) a personality. So that probably invalidates my non-binary genderfluidity Grin

underneaththeash · 29/06/2021 20:43

If you think you’re non-binary you’ve got too little to do in your life. It’s really not a thing. People are just people.

Naggety · 29/06/2021 20:37

Everybody I know is non-binary including myself. It really is a useless category as it includes everyone.

Mumteedum · 29/06/2021 20:30

I got to 47 without having a gender identity. Was never a girly girl. Managed to just be me and ...shock....still a woman. I just can't be doing with this endless labelling. Fine if it makes you happy but please don't pretend we all have to bother with this.

TheSlayer · 29/06/2021 20:23

It's only funny the first hundred times.

donquixotedelamancha · 29/06/2021 20:20

Could we have one thread where we don't equate veganism with gender ideology.Fyi the only time I'm mentioning I'm vegan in recent times is when people on these threads compare it with gender ideology.Veganism harms no one. It's really not the same

You are right, I'm sorry. In my defense, at least I didn't bring up the baseless stereotype about Vegans having no sense of humour :-)

TheSlayer · 29/06/2021 20:10

Could we have one thread where we don't equate veganism with gender ideology.
Fyi the only time I'm mentioning I'm vegan in recent times is when people on these threads compare it with gender ideology.

Veganism harms no one.
It's really not the same
and you did bring it up first

Mumsnut · 29/06/2021 19:38

I think you have a sex and a personality, end of

Sophoclesthefox · 29/06/2021 19:34

@donquixotedelamancha

You are not non-binary, OP. You'd know because (much like being an empath, vegan or born again Christian) it would be the very first thing you'd tell everyone you met and you'd go into a lot of detail.
Grin
SunshineThelma · 29/06/2021 19:29

I'm the same, only I know I'm firmly a woman (the endometriosis is a clue) and the rest is about having a personality and getting on with my life instead of buying into ideas of gender.

donquixotedelamancha · 29/06/2021 19:25

You are not non-binary, OP. You'd know because (much like being an empath, vegan or born again Christian) it would be the very first thing you'd tell everyone you met and you'd go into a lot of detail.

mollythemeerkat · 29/06/2021 19:17

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine - teenagers always sigh when their parents do anything outside of boring and predictable - bit like when everyones dad started wearing Kickers many moons ago. just the way of things.

Pumperthepumper · 29/06/2021 19:15

@littletinyboxes

IF we have to choose a gender based on what we wear/do/like etc (ie stereotypes) than I would have to be either non-binary or gender fluid too. But then I don't think I know anyone who fits all the stereotypes for either gender so I think this would also mean that everyone (or at least most people) would be non-binary/gender fluid. Which makes the idea of identifying as a gender rather redundant. Which is one of the many reasons that I think I'll stick with the idea that all people are one sex or the other but should free to do/wear/like what they want (as long as it doesn't harm others) without being expected to fit in to a set of social norms.
And also, if those boundaries are so tightly regulated that being non-binary means not wearing makeup as a woman, what happens if you do decide to put some on? Are you binary?