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Rosa Freedman told to 'Choose your words carefully'

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NancyDrawed · 29/06/2021 11:51

Article in Daily Mail

[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9736211/Professor-shares-letter-Reading-student-warning-gender-critical-talks-problematic.html]]

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Tanith · 01/07/2021 11:32

That’s not what I’ve done, FortunesFavour, so I can’t agree with you.
I can’t see anyone on this thread blaming Rosa Freedman or criticising her for fighting back.
Some of us are criticising the method she chose when there are other options available to her. This is because we work, or have worked, at universities and we understand the professional relationship a member of university staff should have with the students.
Using social media and a daily tabloid is not a recognised disciplinary procedure in any place of work.

yeahbutnaw · 01/07/2021 11:31

Go ask the person who made the Tweet: twitter.com/becklaxton/with_replies

They're a "gender critical" ideologist from the looks of it.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 01/07/2021 11:30

40k tweets in just over 3 years. That’s pretty good going.

yourhairiswinterfire · 01/07/2021 11:30

[quote yeahbutnaw]Do you think she deleted her account because people criticised her for doxxing and endangering a student?

Or was it because "gender critical" people assumed she was trans and criticised her appearance? twitter.com/Henriettaspoon/status/1410350303552094221?s=20[/quote]
By 'people' you mean 'one person'?

Datun · 01/07/2021 11:30

Also yeahbutnaw gender critical feminists know exactly who Rosa Freedman is. She's famous.

Datun · 01/07/2021 11:28

I can't find that person on Twitter. So forgive me for scepticism.

MichelleScarn · 01/07/2021 11:24

As do I toffee and it could also be if it is a actual person a TRA attempting to fuel fire....

toffeebutterpopcorn · 01/07/2021 11:20

Is that even a real person? I have my doubts.

yeahbutnaw · 01/07/2021 11:15

Do you think she deleted her account because people criticised her for doxxing and endangering a student?

Or was it because "gender critical" people assumed she was trans and criticised her appearance? twitter.com/Henriettaspoon/status/1410350303552094221?s=20

FortunesFavour · 01/07/2021 11:15

@Tanith - it is absolutely victim blaming that you are now trying to criticise the prof for fighting back against threats sent to her by an adult bully. It’s sickening.

MingeofDeath · 01/07/2021 11:01

@Tanith

Fuck him. So fucking what if his email address and name are identifiable? He has threatened someone at their place if work, he deserves to be named and shamed. Good on RF for making it public.

MichelleScarn · 01/07/2021 10:50

I completely disagree re the expected 'duty of care'
that some expect the Professor to have towards someone who has quite happily and proudly it seems sent such an ominous and threatening letter.

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 01/07/2021 10:33

Argh. I really wish she'd kept his name and email address out of the picture. Because yes he's a domineering (adult) bloke throwing his weight around, absurdly implying he knows better than she does in spite of relative levels of education, experience, and thoughtful engagement; and also yes he's harassing her in her workplace and she would be well justified in taking steps to address that. I wouldn't pity him if Reading chucked him out off the back of this. I think also there's value in showing the content of the email as an example of the crap she and others like her are up against.

But I do think she was undoubtedly wrong to name and shame him like this. I think as an academic where he is a student, there is a duty of care there to not throw him to the wolves publicly when other avenues were available. Understandable, but very regrettable. I hope the consequences for her are not too great.

Datun · 30/06/2021 21:37

It wasn't please can we talk. It was do you want to have a last ditch attempt at changing my mind, before I tell everyone how you are going to get this university accused of inequality.

And don't use the word you want to use. Use the words that might get you off the hook.

HPFA · 30/06/2021 21:34

[quote GreenUp]Hope Rosa is okay. Loads of TRAs are piling on Reading Uni complaining about Rosa posting the student's email.

twitter.com/UniofReading/with_replies

Loads of TRA academics are milking this. Prof Sally Hines getting in on the abuse of Rosa...

twitter.com/sally_hines/status/1410157074403803137?s=20
twitter.com/sally_hines/status/1410160633400774660?s=20[/quote]
It really is shocking to see academics just straight out lying.

Whether it was right to reveal the student's name is a legitimate matter for debate but describing the Email as "please can we talk" is an outrageous distortion. At best it was extremely unpleasant and rude.

Datun · 30/06/2021 20:30

I hope she reads this thread. Sick to death of men threatening women and getting away with it.

And if Reading University has got any sense, they will come out firmly on the side of their targeted member of staff.

And, on the off chance that anyone is reading this who has the ear of anyone in government, for crying out loud, sort out the weapon you've given students everywhere. Yanking their university's chains like there's no tomorrow. These idiotic little dictators are going to ruin this country's education system. Take the example of the North Korean girl, who managed to escape N Korea and ended up at an Ivy League university, only to claim it was more crazy than the universities back home!

I expected that I was paying this fortune, all this time and energy, to learn how to think. But they are forcing you to think the way they want you to think," Park said in an interview with Fox News. "I realized, wow, this is insane. I thought America was different but I saw so many similarities to what I saw in North Korea that I started worrying."

www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2021/june/north-korea-was-pretty-crazy-but-not-this-crazy-defector-says-ivy-league-indoctrination-worse-than-regime

For the love of God, can we get some adults back in charge please.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 30/06/2021 20:19

I’m not even seeing a message a just a grey body with the ‘buffering’ icon.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 30/06/2021 20:10

When I got suspended - for the crime of the century (I answered a tweet by someone who said that a thief had pinched their rose bushes out of the garden, saying that I hope they thief got jagged and it hurt - I even said that I didn’t want them to get tetanus or anything really nasty) - they said it was a suspended account (until I pointed out that jagged was a perfectly normal scottish word for jab/prick).

yourhairiswinterfire · 30/06/2021 20:06

@toffeebutterpopcorn

Not sure - doesn’t it say suspended when they are on the naughty step?
Think you're right, pretty sure it says ''Account Suspended'' when they're banned.

I remember looking up RadFemLawyer and it was the same as the screenshot, saying the account didn't exist, but she was just on a break.

Hopefully Rosa is just having some time out.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 30/06/2021 20:02

Rosa Freedman has closed and re-opened her account on previous occasions. I hope this is one of them.

Otherwise, I deeply regret that I failed to archive every fabulous thread she wrote that caught my attention.

Clymene · 30/06/2021 19:42

A man sends a vaguely threatening and certainly malicious email to a woman. She posts it on Twitter. She gets banned.

DdraigGoch · 30/06/2021 19:38

"I do not intend do [sic] get aggressive"
From which naturally follows:
"But if I do, it will be your fault".

toffeebutterpopcorn · 30/06/2021 19:26

Ah silly - how is she these days?

GreenUp · 30/06/2021 19:25

Hope Rosa is okay. Loads of TRAs are piling on Reading Uni complaining about Rosa posting the student's email.

twitter.com/UniofReading/with_replies

Loads of TRA academics are milking this. Prof Sally Hines getting in on the abuse of Rosa...

twitter.com/sally_hines/status/1410157074403803137?s=20
twitter.com/sally_hines/status/1410160633400774660?s=20

toffeebutterpopcorn · 30/06/2021 19:14

Not sure - doesn’t it say suspended when they are on the naughty step?