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Today’s papers - CBBC/NSPCC and Sainsbury’s/Stonewall

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Leafstamp · 27/06/2021 07:13

Woman claims her son was 'groomed' into taking hormone treatment by guidance from charities and media

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/26/cbbcs-trans-messaging-damaging-children-says-mother/

Sainsbury's is putting 'trans ideology' above staff welfare by 'dismissing female workers fears over same-sex toilets after advice from Stonewall', whistleblower claims

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9728545/amp/Sainsburys-putting-trans-ideology-staff-welfare-whistleblower-claims.html

And more demanding behaviour from Pride Activists (attempted censorship?):

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9728735/amp/BBC-Pride-activists-demand-right-vet-transgender-news-stories-Radio-4s-Today-programme.html?__twitter_impression=true

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donquixotedelamancha · 27/06/2021 17:19

I’ve just found/remembered there is a website that collates all of these articles. Bit concerned whether I am allowed to link to it due to its name. So I will play charades.

www.peaktrans.org

I can't see anything on that site which would be inappropriate, let's risk it.

SuperSleepyBaby · 27/06/2021 17:02

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Have many people in positions of responsibility basically decided that the default assumption when presented with a 'tomboy' or effeminate child is not, as we previously did, think they're possibly gay...”

I don’t thing being a “tomboy” or an “effeminate boy” indicates you are gay. I know lots of men and woman who migjt be described as this - some are gay most are not. I might have been described as a ‘tomboy’ as i loved football and hates dresses etc but i am not gay. No child should be assumed to be straight or gay or trans just because of their interests.

Leafstamp · 27/06/2021 15:50

I’ve just found/remembered there is a website that collates all of these articles. Bit concerned whether I am allowed to link to it due to its name. So I will play charades.

Www.twosyllables.org

First syllable - rhymes with seek
Second syllable - rhymes with something that belongs to
Fran.

Or, the crossword clues:
Top of the mountain
“Across” the Atlantic.

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CardinalLolzy · 27/06/2021 10:39

Impressed with that Observer piece.
Not long ago they launched their 'end femicide' campaign which I think is really important: www.theguardian.com/society/series/end-femicide

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 27/06/2021 10:32

But the whistleblower dismissed the programme and Sainsbury's involvement with Stonewall's annual Workplace Equality Index as a 'waste of money'. He said: 'The Workplace Equality Index takes about 400 hours to fill in the forms and then you get just four lines of feedback.

tbh, I'm astonished it's just 400 hours.

Clymene · 27/06/2021 10:02

Here's the documentary I mentioned earlier:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000xh73

This is the first line of the summary: "Petite Fille (Little Girl) is a moving and sensitive portrait of a young French girl called Sasha, who was assigned male at birth. "

Sasha is a boy, not a girl.

BlackeyedSusan · 27/06/2021 09:58

Or tomboy= autistic girl

Clymene · 27/06/2021 09:56

[quote ItsAllGoingToBeFine]I posted this on other thread too, but the Childline message boards are a horror show....

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4223916-nspcc-and-ssauk[/quote]
Oh yes. The ones I signed up to and posted on pretending to be an 11 year old.

IvyTwines2 · 27/06/2021 09:40

Have many people in positions of responsibility basically decided that the default assumption when presented with a 'tomboy' or effeminate child is not, as we previously did, think they're possibly gay, but jump straight to the idea that they're 'trans' and act accordingly? That these days being gay is, as a writer popular with schools said, a mere 'consolation prize', that trans is the future - here anointed with a BAFTA - and gay is the past, something like a penny farthing or horse draw cart now left behind by advancing technology? This really is the impression many of those who work with children are giving.

OhHolyJesus · 27/06/2021 09:37

On the Sainsbury's article in the DM, they always say they want to be an incisive employer. Well, just do that then. Don't reject applicants based on their sexual orientation. It's a radical idea I realise Confused

The BBC Pride board wanting special editorial permission and decision making is hilarious...off to see if I cannot get the text from the Telegraph.

FlyPassed · 27/06/2021 09:09

Link fail!

I Am Leo

Winning the kid's "factual" BAFTA in 2015

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 27/06/2021 09:08

I posted this on other thread too, but the Childline message boards are a horror show....

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4223916-nspcc-and-ssauk

FlyPassed · 27/06/2021 09:07

@MrsJamin that link is the follow up, Leo was even younger in I Am Leo, and it won a bloody BAFTA!

Everyone who has even the slightest inkling that something might be amiss with how we treat dysphoric kids really needs to watch these.

I hope this is watchable, it was the only version of I Am Leo that i could find
youtu.be/Nysd3h4ZtIs

Winning the BAFTA for children's "factual" in 2015 for I Am Leo
youtu.be/gEVXpObdi-U

MrsJamin · 27/06/2021 08:58

The cbbc documentary I am Leo was aired a good few years ago and remained on iPlayer. I complained to the BBC when the proof was out that puberty suppressant drugs were not reversible that the documentary contained serious falsehoods about puberty blockers and should be edited to reflect this. It is still bloody up and unchecked: Leo: Becoming a Trans Man: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0559vr5 Angry

toffeebutterpopcorn · 27/06/2021 08:54

The annoying presenter on LBC (whoever is one after 5am) allowed a trans caller to use the T word in a very one sided conversation. I think it was on the back of Sainsbury’s - breaking the law???

He just didn’t pick them up on any comment they made or for using this slur. No empathy for women. The broadcaster didn’t read out any follow ups that would have surely pointed out this slur usage (I’m sure there would have been some).

He read out one text/email about how there were so many transphobic crimes we needed to do this to protect this group... hang on, the caller said there was 10% of people in the U.K. in the LGB+ Community (oh ‘probably more than that’ says the interviewer). So... if 51% of the population suffer a murder rate of 3 per week (being a woman/girl), then then... mental maths here... so there’s a 10+% - what’s happening to then that means they are afforded more protection that the 51% ?

And what is categorised as a crime these days?

FemaleAndLearning · 27/06/2021 08:50

Good to see all these articles. I think introducing the general public to the issues must be difficult.

WarriorN · 27/06/2021 08:50

I took it to mean that he's watched cbbc when younger and it influenced his ideas along with stuff taught at school via stonewall etc.

He appeared to be gay but suffered from homophobic bullying and the concept of trans made him less accessible to bullying.

rabbitwoman · 27/06/2021 08:47

@swashbucklecheer

Can't read the full article but I don't know of any 19yr olds who watch CBBC.
19yr olds often watch cbbc with younger siblings, when they are babysitting others or with their own children.
LizzieSiddal · 27/06/2021 08:37

Justine Webb has responded to the strath about the BBC. He’s not taking any shit.

Today’s papers - CBBC/NSPCC and Sainsbury’s/Stonewall
MidsomerMurmurs · 27/06/2021 08:35

Well, Sonia Sodha is a leader writer for the Observer, so I'm not so surprised at that editorial. I do wish that it could have been even clearer though ("those born female" = girls and women, so why not actually say so, consistently).

I also think it does well to detail some of the "clear and significant attempts to interfere with women’s freedom", but a casual reader would get a bit of a "very good people on both sides" vibe from it, and the evidence is so overwhelmingly there that the abuse and the threats of violence come from one side, not the other. (Actual transphobic violence clearly exists, but its perpetuators are never gender critical feminists, they are homophobic men, with transphobia as an extension of that longstanding phobia).

Every bit of sunlight helps though.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 27/06/2021 08:29

Well done The Observer. And chapeau to the brave women who have forced daylight in. I think Keira and Maya are particular heroines.

ArabellaScott · 27/06/2021 08:27

I want to c and p the whole thing but this ...

For centuries, patriarchal societies have tried to limit the free expression of women. For centuries, women have fought back against attempts to curb their fundamental human rights. It should not need stating that gender-critical feminists have the same free-speech rights as all other citizens. In a democracy, there is no debate to be had about women’s freedom of speech.

WarriorN · 27/06/2021 08:26

Which, thinking about it, is why it's so important the observer does speak out about this.

On the app, which younger people increasingly use it all pops up as one.

ArabellaScott · 27/06/2021 08:24

I had coffee and it's still there.

Blimey.

WarriorN · 27/06/2021 08:24

Which will confuse those who don't know the observer and guardian are separate entities and are die hard app reading guardian lovers. I only twigged a couple of years ago