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Alleged potential Labour leadership challenge -

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GrabbingTheWorldByTheLapels · 26/06/2021 22:22

I read today a report in the Telegraph that Dawn Butler is believed to be seriously considering challenging Keir Starmer for leadership of the Labour Party, should Labour lose the Batley and Spen by-election. I’m sorry but the article is behind a paywall.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/06/26/keir-starmer-facing-hard-left-leadership-challenge-corbyn-ally/

“It is believed that Ms Butler would gain the support of the 34-strong Socialist Campaign Group of MPs, including Mr Corbyn, John McDonnell and Diane Abbott”.

Note that she also has the support of the champion of women Lloyd Russell-Moyle, he of the Jo Rowling should not weaponise her sexual abuse - sneer, and he has joined Dawn Butler in Batley and Spen.

This Dawn Butler who spectacularly fails to read the room. The MP who ran a poll on Twitter ‘Stonewall vs Liz Truss’ and one that horribly backfired. Not that she noticed.
The MP who declared the anti-science, anti- medical lunacy that babies are born without a sex. And double downed on it when questioned on national TV.

Because what is really going to make the constituents of the red wall run back to Labour is more southern middle class metropolitan wokesters screeching at constituents to deny all logic and get on board with the programme. And if not expect to be tarred as bigots.

I can see it now Dawn Butler as leader and her deputy Lloyd Russell-Moyle.

Labour really do not want power do they?

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Tealightsandd · 27/06/2021 23:02

@donquixotedelamancha

Does anyone else ever wonder if they've wandered into some kind of Lewis Carroll-curated parallel universe?

I'm pretty sure something went very wrong with reality about a decade ago. At this point if David Icke has been right all along I'll barely raise an eyebrow.

A far right racist holocaust denier is never right.
pancakestastelikecrepe · 27/06/2021 22:57

I was supposed to head to B&S today, to help campaign and show solidarity with KL in view of the rampant misogyny on display but I just couldn't bring myself to go - it's so bloody weakening

womanity · 27/06/2021 22:51

A similar story in the Times was that Rayner and Nandy are waiting to take the helm too.

3 women, none of whom know what a woman is.

donquixotedelamancha · 27/06/2021 22:46

Does anyone else ever wonder if they've wandered into some kind of Lewis Carroll-curated parallel universe?

I'm pretty sure something went very wrong with reality about a decade ago. At this point if David Icke has been right all along I'll barely raise an eyebrow.

groundcontroltomontydon · 27/06/2021 21:25

“It is believed that Ms Butler would gain the support of the 34-strong Socialist Campaign Group of MPs, including Mr Corbyn, John McDonnell and Diane Abbott”
Quite the dream team
Does anyone else ever wonder if they've wandered into some kind of Lewis Carroll-curated parallel universe?

donquixotedelamancha · 27/06/2021 20:54

a lot of them have since fucked off to the People's Front of Judea in disgust at Starmer and Rayner's attempts to win votes

Bit unfair to accuse Angela Rayner of trying to win votes. I'm sure she'd never knowingly do that.

FOJN · 27/06/2021 20:39

I can't even feel sad any more. Let it burn.

That's how I feel. In fact I'm very eager for them to get on and finish the job of destroying the party, there will be no opportunity for something better to rise from the ashes until that happens. Labour in its current state is beyond hope but we can't wait decades for them to become a credible party of government or opposition.

Tealightsandd · 27/06/2021 20:08

It would be nice if, for the first time in decades, we got a leader of either party who wanted to help the vulnerable in the south, particularly London. You can't get more deprived than being homeless. Lacking one of life's most basic essentials. For years London's vulnerable, including many women and children, have been ignored. London is the capital of homelessness.

It's definitely a feminist issue. Two thirds of England's homeless families (largely women and children) are in London.

Obviously what we really need is a decent leader, who speaks for the whole country. Including the south.

ScreamingMeMe · 27/06/2021 20:02

@Majorfluff

It will be a good 20 years before Labour get into power, thank goodness.
I can't even feel sad any more. Let it burn.
Tealightsandd · 27/06/2021 20:02

Because what is really going to make the constituents of the red wall run back to Labour is more southern middle class metropolitan wokesters

And this is why we have such shit choices to vote for. Both sides, Labour and Conservative, more interested in trying to get votes through stirring up division via pathetic generalisations.

Focusing on pushing the stereotypes, even when we might soon have a PM who represents a very wealthy Northern constituency. Rishi Sunak and his Richmond, North Yorks seat.

It's crap for everyone because it's about stoking and manufacturing hate, anger, and misplaced resentment. Rather than actual policies, let alone decent ones.

Everyone suffers, but none more so than the vulnerable of the south. London is the capital of homelessness. 165,000 homeless there. Staggering numbers. Nobody's looking out for them.

Obviously (not metropolitan middle class background) Dawn Butler would be dreadful. That's nothing to do with where she's from. Likewise northerner (Liverpool) John McDonnell.

ScreamingMeMe · 27/06/2021 20:02

Yes the tankies are always plotting but this piece is just an attempt at distraction from the Hancock shitshow by the Borischer Beobachter.

?

The Telegraph has numerous articles about Hancock.

archive.vn/9yf15

Majorfluff · 27/06/2021 19:24

It will be a good 20 years before Labour get into power, thank goodness.

Bollockstothat · 27/06/2021 13:53

But the Labour Party aren't fans of her either andyoldlabour. She only got 11% of the vote in the deputy leadership contest last year - she came bottom, behind Grade A ding dong Richard Burgon (the man who appeared not to know Labour lost the 2017 election). Even 18 months ago the tankies were a small part of the party and a lot of them have since fucked off to the People's Front of Judea in disgust at Starmer and Rayner's attempts to win votes and thereby sully the blessed memory of Obi Wan Corbyn. She has zero fucking chance of being leader. One of the people listed as a backer in this shit-stirring piece (Corbyn) isn't a member of the PLP so wouldn't be able to nominate her anyway.

Yes the tankies are always plotting but this piece is just an attempt at distraction from the Hancock shitshow by the Borischer Beobachter.

highame · 27/06/2021 13:37

I think Keir will squeak by in Batley & Spen. They're having to put an awful lot in there and it's importance as a seat is evidenced by the fact that Kim Leadbeater is standing. They're hoping for a bounce from Jo Cox to help them along and it may work. So maybe Dawn could be given Shadow Secretary for Health

andyoldlabour · 27/06/2021 13:36

Does the Labour Party really have no idea, how unpopular Dawn Butler is outside the LaLaLand which is the echo chamber they have created?

RedToothBrush · 27/06/2021 13:04

Am i willing to put money on Keir Starmer polling better with the public than Dawn Butler if that happens.

You can only hope that she is the stalking horse for someone actually credible.

Trouble is I'm struggling to work out who is credible.

Bollockstothat · 27/06/2021 13:01

I'll believe that story when I see it in a paper that doesn't have an interest in distracting from the government's latest corruption and hypocrisy shitshow.

GCAcademic · 27/06/2021 12:52

Seeing as the demise of the Labour party seems inevitable and ongoing now, perhaps it's best that they hasten that process so that something better can eventually be built from the ground up.

OldTurtleNewShell · 27/06/2021 12:50

@ChristinaXYZ

I can't believe they would be so daft - but then yes, I can believe it! where does Dawn Butler stand on women's rights / single sex spaces, etc?
Oh, she's full TRA. She's been quite vocal about wanting the sex exemption clause removed. She also claimed that babies are born without a sex. She's completely bonkers.
FightingtheFoo · 27/06/2021 12:37

Dawn Butler is also the first sitting MP to sign up for video messaging site Cameo where she charges for fan videos.

If only she'd spend a little bit more time listening to her actual constituents.

FightingtheFoo · 27/06/2021 12:35

@FOJN

I think I understand now, the Labour Party is to politics what Spinal Tap was to heavy metal music; do we know who the director is?
This is an insult to Spinal Tap.
TheFnozwhowasmirage · 27/06/2021 12:35

I've just told my Northern,once labour voting DH about this and he couldn't stop eyerolling.
I'm still laughing now.Grin

Chrysanthemum5 · 27/06/2021 12:06

Grin😂😂😂😂😂Dawn Butler as leader that's hilarious! I'd love to see a female leader but it has to be someone competent

ChristinaXYZ · 27/06/2021 11:52

I can't believe they would be so daft - but then yes, I can believe it! where does Dawn Butler stand on women's rights / single sex spaces, etc?

highame · 27/06/2021 08:23

I would look forward to PMQ's every week (though she has said she never has and never would challenge a Labour leader).

Half decent MP's are on the back benches and no doubt will stay there until the shitstorm is over, proving they are wise beyond their capabilities