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Photos from London's Trans Pride march

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Imnobody4 · 26/06/2021 16:10

twitter.com/BevJacksonAuth/status/1408797242878840833?s=09
I think this will cause all decent Trans people shame rather than pride.

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AfternoonToffee · 27/06/2021 09:32

@Quaggars

Where are the spokespeople for the trans community speaking out against the violence?

Why should they, though?
Don't get me wrong, these signs are disgusting and have no place anywhere.
They don't speak for the majority though.
Would you say "where are the people speaking out" if this was aimed at any other marginalised, minority, or discriminated against group?

The British Public would absolutely expect an Imam to speak out if a small group of young Muslims made threats against the general public.

Threats by TRA's against women are all fine and dandy and it is only a small minority doing so.

I have a feeling in the great Venn diagram of life there may be quite an overlap.

ScreamingMeMe · 27/06/2021 09:28

Another one. These are absolutely real.

Photos from London's Trans Pride march
ScreamingMeMe · 27/06/2021 09:20

I've reported your post ProudExclu. What you said about those people is out of order.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 27/06/2021 09:16

Please do explain exactly what is behind adult human female

I am agog at the secret hidden, hateful message behind the dictionary definition of ‘woman’

Is it possible that if universally accepted definitions upset you the problem lies with you?

ScreamingMeMe · 27/06/2021 09:15

I found some clearer screenshots further down that twitter thread, as predictably TRAs are saying they are "fake" Hmm

Photos from London's Trans Pride march
Photos from London's Trans Pride march
ScreamingMeMe · 27/06/2021 09:14

@Whoarethewho

Ive seen some pretty horrible misandry posters on the reclaim the streets protests too. These aren't great either
I don't think any of us on this board support Reclaim These Streets and their "politics". Could be wrong but I don't think anyone is impressed with them. And they definitely don't like and support women that they deem to be "terfs".

Can you provide further information on what the signs said?

Datun · 27/06/2021 09:10

[quote Waitwhat23]@Congressdingo I've seen tra's warning each other on Twitter to be careful when taking down stickers because there may be razor blades behind the stickers. I was curious as to where this idea came from so researched it a bit and it seems to be a bit of an urban legend (possibly an element of truth), that people supporting the National Front in the 1970's and Neo Nazi's more recently put razor blades behind posters. I'm not sure how you'd be able to hide a razor blade behind a sticker (surely you'd see the outline?). Perhaps this is what Quaggars is referring to when they say what is behind the sticker?

Otherwise, the term Adult Human Female is a statement of fact.[/quote]
This was something they were claiming a few years ago too. A TRA posted pics of their cut hand as proof. Until people found the photo in stock photos online and showed up the lie.

sanluca · 27/06/2021 09:08

Please do explain exactly what is behind adult human female.

It is very very clear that in the eyes of trans ideology womens rights, the ones that exclude all males regardless of how identify, is transphobic and needs to be removed. I still remember the claims that they didn't want to remove womens rights, rights are not a pie etcetc. But now the message is clear: biological differences between male and female humans is transphobic.

It is also very clear that the word 'woman' may in no way be used to reference a group of people whose biological evolution is different than the other biological evolution found in humans. Becuase if woman is adult human female, then transwomen can never be woman. The word 'woman' needs to be redefined outside of biology. The fact that this means women now need to be referred to by their bodily functions or body parts is acceptable for them. It also nicely dehumanises women into talking vagina's and wombs.

It is also clear that women are in no way demanding transpeople have to give up any human rights or words. They can just not take ours.

One side as a bad as the other my arse.

Datun · 27/06/2021 09:08

Its appears to be a common complaint. The other day we were accused of saying you cant change sex as a cover for our argument. I pointed out that saying you can't change sex is our argument.

Harrop accused Posie Parker of using the dictionary definition of woman as a cover too. For something else. Until she pointed out the same flaw and made mincemeat of him on national telly.

And now stickers? 😂

A sticker saying a woman is an adult human female isn't hiding the point, it is the point.

Waitwhat23 · 27/06/2021 09:08

@Congressdingo I've seen tra's warning each other on Twitter to be careful when taking down stickers because there may be razor blades behind the stickers. I was curious as to where this idea came from so researched it a bit and it seems to be a bit of an urban legend (possibly an element of truth), that people supporting the National Front in the 1970's and Neo Nazi's more recently put razor blades behind posters. I'm not sure how you'd be able to hide a razor blade behind a sticker (surely you'd see the outline?). Perhaps this is what Quaggars is referring to when they say what is behind the sticker?

Otherwise, the term Adult Human Female is a statement of fact.

Erikrie · 27/06/2021 08:58

Please do explain exactly what is behind adult human female.

It's not inclusive enough. Literal violence.

Congressdingo · 27/06/2021 08:57

@Quaggars

Stickers too don't forget!

See, I get accused of being "disegenous" on here.
This totally is though.
"What's so wrong about a female, sticking a sticker saying they're female?
It's the whole what can be behind it that people stick their fingers in their ears and go la la la to that's Hmm

Please do explain exactly what is behind adult human female. I'm struggling to understand the violence in those words, or the placement of the words? Or is it the font, the colour scheme? What ?
Cowbells · 27/06/2021 08:53

@SweetPetrichor

There’s idiots at any march. I strongly dislike Rowling’s stance on gender right, but I don’t think there’s a place for ‘kill her’ comments and those who think that’s okay are in a small minority. There will be some equally terrible people on the other side of the fence.
Where are the equally terrible people on the other side? Because it is interesting that the people being threatened with murder, rape, destruction are women like JKRowling or Jess de Wahl who have never ever said a hateful word against transwomen or transmen. They have said you can't change biological sex. They have said they have grave concerns about self-IDing being manipulated by abusers to gain access to vulnerable women and they have been proved right on this (Karen White, Aimee Challoner etc.) Where are the TERF equivalents of White and Challoner? Where are the women who post death threats to trans people because they are trans and gleefully giddily publically call for their livelihoods, their loved ones and their bodies to be ruined?

If you can find me any, then I would stand with transpeople and fight against such phobic behaviour. But I can't campaign on behalf of people who single out individual women, bully and threaten them with such male-pattern violence whilst claiming to be women themselves. Come on. @SweetPetrichor where is the evidence this is rational and equal fight?

Congressdingo · 27/06/2021 08:38

@Thingybob

For those of you knocking me I refer you back to my original comment and invite you to look at some more photos/videos from today's march. I'm not defending those placards but saying they weren't representative of the vast majority of those marching.
The question is, how do we recognise those "not representative" to block access to our spaces?
Erikrie · 27/06/2021 08:30

You know what would help? Supporters of trans people telling those within their ranks who threaten rape and violence, “You do not represent us, we do not condone your actions.”

They never do though. Mainly because it's the majority who think this is ok. The ones who don't have already spoken up. There's not many.

ArabellaScott · 27/06/2021 08:19

@Nellodee

You know what would help? Supporters of trans people telling those within their ranks who threaten rape and violence, “You do not represent us, we do not condone your actions.” That would go down a lot better than , “Only a few of us threaten to rape and kill you, so I don’t know why you keep going on about it, really.”
Agree.
OwningAllMyMistakes · 27/06/2021 05:02

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NiceGerbil · 27/06/2021 04:08

Why are women and girls so, despised?

Why the massive focus on essentially a load of lefty women as a massive threat rather then the men who attack those who don't conform?

Where is the focus on the plight of LGBT+ people around the world? Why are they not shouting about that? Raising awareness? Fighting for change?

I genuinely don't get it at all.

NiceGerbil · 27/06/2021 04:04

'We are stronger together. We cannot let idiotic countermovements like LGB Alliance and TERFs and gender-critical feminism tear us apart.”

At this, there was a long, loud cheer from the crowd who were packed into Soho Square and the surrounding streets.

“To me transness is divinity in its purest sense. To live in a world that does not see you, that ignores your suffering, that legislates against your existence, that strives to control your bodily autonomy, that simultaneously fetishes you and dehumanises our image. That is divine: to resist that daily.'

  1. Is it really appropriate for a speaker at s march for for loads of people to specify who the baddies are? Ok yes probably.

No mention of violent men though. Weird.

  1. Divinity. Again saying trans people are like angels, or saints. The divine. What's with all this religious stuff?
  1. This bit.

' To live in a world that does not see you, that ignores your suffering, that legislates against your existence, that strives to control your bodily autonomy, that simultaneously fetishes you and dehumanises our image.'

I can't be polite. This is a fucking piss take. Is MB deliberately saying that as s massive fuck you to women and girls all over the world?
Or does MB have zero idea about how women and girls are treated all over the world.
I think the former. Because the words are straight out of feminist statements.

Which really does beg the question. Why... Just why? Given all the appalling shit happening to women and girls every day all over the world. Why stuff that back in our faces? It's just a blatent appropriation. Why are women and girls so hated? What have all the women and girls on the planet done to deserve that?

NiceGerbil · 27/06/2021 03:55

Just read MB speech at the march.

I'm Shock.

'She continued: “When we have spaces like this, it’s a reminder to see god in each other. Whatever god is. A higher power. To treat each other how we want to be treated.'

God. God???

Wtf does God have to do with any of this?

Loads of people follow religions where God says sex roles must be strictly adhered to, women and girls are inferior, and not being heterosexual is a massive sin.

God?!

And yet. Trans people see God in each other... Trans people are therefore God/s?

Is the word God up for redefinition now?

NiceGerbil · 27/06/2021 03:45

What was it? Anyone got another link or anything?

Was it as celebratory as the marching with baseball bats in the USA a few years ago?

NiceGerbil · 27/06/2021 03:44

The pic in link the OP posted has been invisibled by Twitter.

I don't get it.

I'm assuming it was a pic of some people at the march.

So a public march etc.

What possible reason can there be to delete it?

ProudExclu · 27/06/2021 01:48

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yourhairiswinterfire · 27/06/2021 01:02

Stickers too don't forget

It's crazy.

Threats to kill women=fine.

But a woman puts an AHF sticker on a bench, or calls someone a pig on Twitter, and that's literal violence, that makes adults feel unsafe. That's what gets statements from the police, asking the public to report if they see any stickers, that's what gets women arrested in front of their children and threatened with Social Services.

What a fucking joke.

ArcheryAnnie · 27/06/2021 01:02

@Quaggars

then, yes, I don't care which group it is, the other people in the group should speak up about it

A lot of people won't know anything about what a handful of randomers with disgusting slogans are doing at the same event though.

I don't believe this to be true. I don't believe for a second that anyone going on that march didn't know there will be signs and banners like this. And if they miraculously came out of a 10-year coma just in time to join the march and genuinely didn't know, all the #transpride hashtags will have educated them afterwards.

This isn't a niche opinion amongst trans activists. We've seen it a million times before.