Photos from London's Trans Pride march

Well when the GIC waiting lists are now 5 - 6 years each, you can have some sympathy for why trans people feel they need to find other ways to survive, as the NHS system does not help that whatsoever.

I have sympathy for anybody going through gender dysphoria.

"Find other ways to survive" is inflammatory language. The % of trans identifying people who are suicidal is often widely over inflated in reports from Mermaids, Stonewall etc.

The joke about ROGD, and kids getting blockers within 6 months - just doesnt happen from the NHS. The queues and psych assessments are a couple of years.

I don't find any of this joke worthy.

It is clear that there is a massive increase in the number of children who are identifying as trans. This will inevitably lead to longer waiting lists with NHS specialists.

Why is nobody apart from the "nasty TERFs" questioning or worrying about what is causing such huge increases in the numbers of children who feel that they want to do big, drastic and not without risk things to their healthy bodies? Who feel that they want to change their entire identity? A cohort where autistic girls are massively over-represented? Why is nobody else questioning if these things are harming children?

The reason why the abuse is tolerated in the gender identity movement is because, as a pseudo-religion, it needs its folk devils. It needs them so it can tell the followers not to step away from the huddle around the campfire because out there, in the darkness, there are devils who will destroy you.

Why don't prominent trans activists and organisations speak out about the horrible threats and abuse?

Imagine what would happen if Mermaids did this? If they came out and said we abhor these attacks on JK Rowling and we are using our prominent position to ask that they stop. They would lose a considerable amount of support, and they know this, and know it's best not to intervene.

The joke about ROGD, and kids getting blockers within 6 months - just doesnt happen from the NHS. The queues and psych assessments are a couple of years.

Why do people say it is only a tiny numbet of TRAs and yet members of that 'tiny number' march along with posters threatening violence towards women and no one stops them? Can you link me to the TRA threads full of people condemning them?

It's so gaslighty to tell women there must be more to what they're saying than what they're actually saying.

Other posters have amply taken care of the 'Tiny Minority' sentiment. Not least the disingenuous comparison drawn between 'Woman: Adult Human Female' and the rape and death threats made against women who happen to hold that belief.

If any of the above doesn't convince you, then when a group deems SAFEGUARDING of all words to be a 'dogwhistle', you know beyond doubt that group has nefarious intentions.

The mental gymnastics of people determined to support trans people, no matter what they do, what laws they break, and at any cost to the human rights of others is a tell.

I meant what can be the intent behind

The intent behind establishing the truth? Gosh, I don't know, what do you think it could be..

I suppose it’s like any other March - you go along, see the gobsh*s and either laugh, nod and back away.

I'm wondering if the crowds are just believers in gender identity so those who may speak out don't attend?

The police won’t do that. They posted a video telling those at the event to call the police if they feel (not sure - unsafe?) which the police didn’t do for any other marches yesterday.

Given that some of those carrying these death threats have been photographed, the Police must be looking into this? A vague 'threat' towards a Scottish actor, based on a ribbon 'looking like a noose', tied up in the general vicinity of television studios he works at, has led to Police action. You would hope a very unambiguous death threat against a named person would be investigated with the same rigour.

Why wants to approach some person with banners calling for murder? You won’t exactly get a balanced and reasoned debate with them will you (more likely a banner over your head).

Contrast it with the response of the crowd when a few lesbians held up the Get the L Out signs or protested about their rights and concerns on some Pride marches. Funny how non-violent signs by a few lesbians got a reaction from the crowd, but violent signs from a few Pride marchers are awkwardly ignored by the others around them.....

Why don't prominent trans activists and organisations speak out about the horrible threats and abuse?

I think firstly that it actually serves it's purpose very well. It has kept people quiet about speaking out, hasn't it?

And then also to condem it would be to admit that it happens and is a massive contributory factor to why noone is speaking out - rather than the standard TRA line that actually most people agree with them.....

To scare the people who issue death threats... Uhuh. You can carry a banner issuing death threats or noose/scaffolds with banners saying what you want to do to people you disagree with - but a definition of ‘woman’ or a ribbon can get your collar felt by the police?

Oh come on...

I meant what can be the intent behind.

The 'intent' behind a sticker that says 'woman: adult human female'?

There is no 'intent' behind it - as has already been said, that is the intent.

Have any TRAs spoken up against this?

Anyone at all said 'you know what, 'folx', this is not cool?'

& if not, why not?

As far as I can see, the deafening silence suggests that:
EITHER this is NOT a tiny majority of dickheads, you get them on every march, good gracious no one needs to take these sad wankers seriously ...rather it is in fact an accepted, mainstream & unremarkable attitude amongst TRAs

OR lots of lovely nice trans people know this is appalling - but they are scared to speak out because these people are genuinely threatening & potentially dangerous, & they know them well enough to know this.

Neither's great, is it?₩

Perhaps this is what quaagars meant about what is behind the sticker
No, not at all, I wasn't being that literal, I didn't mean behind the physical sticker!
I meant what can be the intent behind.