The Times articles on Stonewall: 26.06.2021

It's just like an abusive relationship.
One bending over backwards to appease the other but it's just never good enough. Coercive control and emotional blackmail.

Ranking them at 101 must've been deliberate.

Why is all 'diversity and inclusion' only ever about the 'T'.

However, The Times can disclose that the charity is using the index to force organisations to lobby on its behalf, rewarding them with higher rankings if they bring their own policies in line with Stonewall’s agenda, and dropping them from the Top 100 if they do not."

This is so shocking. Tax payers are paying for lobbing fur Stonewall. You have to admire their brazen methods. Can they be stopped?!

Yes please use the archive links I have posted. Much easier.

And remember the £125,202 spent by the Scottish government is only on the Stonewall stuff. Further public money is given to other groups like Scottish Trans Alliance, LGBT Youth Scotland and many others.
So called feminist org Engender gets about 80-90% of its funding from the Scottish government!! So all these groups are bleating the same mantras and lobbying for an extremist ideology all while living off the public purse. They can't even fund themselves (maybe because very little to zero public support?) and can only keep going because of payouts from the Scottish government. It's ridiculous.

Thank you Nonny for the archive links.

A little disappointed the sharetokens aren’t working as the comments would be interesting. But a small price for the sunlight flooding in.

I will pop over to twitter soon. I expect the unrepentant stonewall will simply post ‘r u ok, hun’ again. But the response will be entertaining.

Didn't OCC amd the cps both back.out of the law suits when 2 teenage girls attempted to sue

They did, it was only at the point where a teenage girl tried to bring a JR against the CPS for its dubious reliance on SW that the court felt that as the offending document had been withdrawn, and the Diversity Champions scheme wasn't an influence on policy outside of the organisation itself (which we now know is not true) that court action was declined. I wonder if it might go differently if there was a case where tangible rather than hypothetical harm had been caused, and with the evidence we now have about the Diversity Champions scheme and how organisations behave to get accreditation. It's quite notable that the awful CPS schools guidance was withdrawn and doesn't appear to be reinstated.

Thanks default and nonny I think the Times has got wise to our share token use and are hoping more will subscribe. I wonder if share tokens work on other write ups

[quote NonnyMouse1337]Archive links

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Bump, since the token-less links don't seem to work.

Anyone know how Scotland spent ten times as much as anyone else?

Top spenders on Stonewall in 2020

Scottish Government: £125,202

Ministry of Defence: £11,770

Oh wait. I hope they work. The link usually says share token.

Stonewall ambassador: I believed in the scheme to uphold rights but we created a monster. Maybe the Times is changing how they work.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stonewall-ambassador-i-believed-in-the-scheme-to-uphold-rights-but-we-created-a-monster-0c9vvzhfmm_

Stonewall are like the Mafia extorting money off organisations.

I suspect most organisations will quietly change their policies tbh. That's the least we can hope for. Like others have said we need an inquiry into how government departments were allowed to be captured. It's a national scandal.

Another one

Avon and Somerset police paid Stonewall thousands learning to be LGBT ally.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/avon-and-somerset-police-paid-stonewall-thousands-learning-to-be-lgbt-ally-zdqnnvmdnn_

Sorry C&P fail ^ I have asked for it be removed. I meant to say

I think we all knew this is happening but it is shocking to see it laid out in black and white.

The IPO raised eyebrows in 2018, as one of the few government bodies that featured in a Stonewall ad campaign, urging supporters to fill in the government consultation, in support self-identification.

At the time, commentators questioned why a government body should take a side in such a sensitive topic. The IPO denied it was influencing the consultation and said it paid no money sponsoring the advert.

When Stonewall revealed the 2019 Top 100, four months later, IPO had shot up the ranks 80 places. It was now 13th — its best ever ranking.

“Your use of social media to communicate the Intellectual Property Office’s commitment to LGBT equality to the wider public is great to see,” the lobby charity wrote in its feedback. “In addition, your public support of reform to the Gender Recognition Act sends a very powerful message.”

This should never have been allowed to happen.

There's a rash of articles in Today's Times I'll post links separately so they don't run into each other.

Stonewall equality list ‘bullies bosses and silences dissent’.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stonewall-equality-list-bullies-bosses-and-silences-dissent-cz6k7klf55_

“We can do better than this — and we must,” permanent secretary Leslie Evans declared in a blog.

Isn't the permanent secretary a civil servant? Are they not required to be impartial?!!

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/2021.06.26-000819/www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-times-view-on-a-charity-promoting-dogma-at-public-expense-stonewalls-suppressions-dzjlmrldc" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">archive.is/2021.06.26-000819/www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-times-view-on-a-charity-promoting-dogma-at-public-expense-stonewalls-suppressions-dzjlmrldc

I wonder if there is a correlation between the top one hundred organisations and their misrepresentation of the law

Last year I think the MOJ was number 5. And they stick male bodied rapists In womens prisons.

Now they have withdrawn I hope its a good sign for the case that was brought against them.

But it does beh the question if that only gets you 5th place, what do you have to do to get 4 and up

Annoyingly any case that may have brought at least some of this to light gets dropped before it goes to court.

Didn't OCC amd the cps both back.out of the law suits when 2 teenage girls attempted to sue

These were judicial reviews. May be we need discrimination claims (like Maya's) ? For those the detriment will have happened so they can't just back out.

"However, The Times can disclose that the charity is using the index to force organisations to lobby on its behalf, rewarding them with higher rankings if they bring their own policies in line with Stonewall’s agenda, and dropping them from the Top 100 if they do not."

So not just self-identification, but self-lobbying!

who is governing Scotland????

I wonder if there is a correlation between the top one hundred organisations and their misrepresentation of the law?

Maybe. But I think they would be more worried about any legal challenges. (That's what happens when you "get ahead" of the law.) Law Society have changed their policy back to reflecting the actual law. The article says this

Annoyingly any case that may have brought at least some of this to light gets dropped before it goes to court.

Didn't OCC amd the cps both back.out of the law suits when 2 teenage girls attempted to sue

I can't make share token stuff work sorry. Someone will be along with tokens.

I know we've discussed this over and over but it's only when you see it in its full glory that you appreciate how bad this all is.

It's the coercion and the bully tactics that are appalling but also how on earth did the law get captured. That's the one thing that still staggers me and I really do want someone to start looking at that capture. In any democracy, the law should stand squarely in the camp of impartiality this is lawyers, courts, police, prisons etc. This capture of those institutions has show how easy it would be for a totalitarian government to take hold in this country. Had it not been for the bravery and persistence of women, we would be gagged and hated in a ring of silence (sorry, that's a bit over the top, but didn't sleep well last night ).

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