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ThursdayWeld · 26/06/2021 11:08

Thank god some sunlight is being shone on Stinewall's methods now. And with the ECHR and otber oeganisations leaving them, a taboo has been broken and more will follow. I do feel sorry for women in Scotland though :-(

littlbrowndog · 26/06/2021 11:08

What a disgrace my government is

Oh and the highest drug deaths in uk which seemed to be a surprise to SG

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 26/06/2021 11:08

Sorry, I was referring to the image littebrowndog posted, I had forgotten that images get stripped out of quotes Blush

JustSpeculation · 26/06/2021 11:07

This is all in every respect an inspection for accreditation, to demonstrate that you share the values and principles of the accrediting organisation. It is not a situation in which the applying organisation is listening to partisan positions to inform its own decision making.

This should not be happening.

littlbrowndog · 26/06/2021 11:07

That would be Joanna cherry ?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 26/06/2021 11:06

@littlbrowndog

This is my government
This is possibly the most horrific quote of all. Repeated for emphasis:

"As a corrosive example, the Scottish government’s applications have included screenshots of social media activity and the ostracism of dissenting colleagues on internal forums "

littlbrowndog · 26/06/2021 11:05

We have kids living in poverty in Scotland. Education gap not closed. Women not getting called for smear tests

Yet my government spends time and money on this

🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 26/06/2021 11:05

Thanks, littlbrowndog - that's the Leader/editorial piece (I'd posted an archive link for it above but I'd somehow glossed over that horror).

littlbrowndog · 26/06/2021 11:03

From this. The times

The Times articles on Stonewall: 26.06.2021
Cailin66 · 26/06/2021 10:59

@OvaHere

MLM - Multi Level Marketing. Amway, Nu Skin, Herbalife etc...

They operate in a way that means people who join up are always chasing the next level which means investing more money.

Sounds like a Ponzi or Pyramid scheme if you ask me. My kids used to play video games when they were younger, it looked benign enough, but the games wanted to make money and devised them so the child would get more points if they paid to do so by clicking something, I never allowed the children to do that though.
InvisibleDragon · 26/06/2021 10:59

I am astonished by the tone of the recommendations from Stonewall ... "We would like to see more engagement from your main account" etc. The arrogance is shocking

SirVixofVixHall · 26/06/2021 10:59

@NonnyMouse1337

The Welsh Government gave even more to Stonewall in 2020.

Total amount in 2020 was £152,909.

Shock

I am in Wales. It is incredibly depressing to see this, and also to think about what that money could do in other areas, when so much of Wales is struggling with rural poverty. I am a long time Plaid voter but they have been captured now, as have Cymdeithas, who I saw on Instagram insisting that TWAW in response to a very polite comment on single sex space for women.
EmbarrassingAdmissions · 26/06/2021 10:58

Which of the articles is this in?

I answered this with a screenshot above - but I'm now interested in which article littlbrowndog's snapshot is from because ostracism of dissenting colleagues on internal forums sounds even more distressing and potentially actionable.

These 'allies' who did this tho' - how are they looking at themselves or was this always for CV points and they won't look back at the harm they did to their colleagues and regret it?

It brought to mind another very fine Times leader wrt to the Harry Miller case:

As the judge in Mr Miller’s case, Mr Justice Julian Knowles, put it: “In this country we have never had a Cheka, a Gestapo or a Stasi. We have never lived in an Orwellian society.” It is to be hoped that yesterday’s ruling will help to keep it that way. It is vital that the police and other institutions are not driven by the often powerful pro-transgender movement into eroding freedom of expression.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 26/06/2021 10:58

Of course it's not just Stonewall that ScotGov is paying to push the TRA agenda...

www.gov.scot/publications/equality-national-intermediary-bodies-funding-2017-2020/

highame · 26/06/2021 10:57

We have to accept that there was hardly anywhere in government that wasn't captured and they must now be running around trying to work out how they could have allowed illegality to creep into our institutions.

The Welsh and Scottish governments are both trying to show how progressive they are compared to England but in the rush they have ignored the law. Shame on them

littlbrowndog · 26/06/2021 10:52

This is my government

The Times articles on Stonewall: 26.06.2021
SirVixofVixHall · 26/06/2021 10:52

@PaleBlueMoonlight

That is really shocking. I mean really shocking. How can the Scottish Government be using commitments to legislate to try and dance to the tune of an unelected lobby group?
Shocked here too. It is horrifying.
EmbarrassingAdmissions · 26/06/2021 10:52

surely Stonewall can't survive now?

Of course they can - it was always in the employers' power and self-interest to conduct due diligence and impact assessments for other employees. Employers chose to do the 'pick me' dance even if they had to disadvantage some of their other employees with protected characteristics.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 26/06/2021 10:47

It explains so much about why and what politicians say, when you realise they are "earning" Stonewall points for it. I am unbelievably angry about this, and surely, surely Stonewall can't survive now?

OvaHere · 26/06/2021 10:46

MLM - Multi Level Marketing. Amway, Nu Skin, Herbalife etc...

They operate in a way that means people who join up are always chasing the next level which means investing more money.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 26/06/2021 10:44

From For Women Scotland back in January.

twitter.com/ForwomenScot/status/1347485700317437952?s=19

The civil service were, seemingly, concerned that they slipped in the ranking from 50 to 101. They launched a charm offensive to retrieve ground. This included asking which articles the Perm Sec should like or comment on and panel which incl Mermaids.

Link to the FOI this is from
www.gov.scot/publications/foi-202000094710/

Cailin66 · 26/06/2021 10:34

@OvaHere

The article about the equality index is really interesting. It explains all the random and often baffling tweets from various gov agencies and orgs over the last few years. They're all chasing points to get ahead in this scheme. The parallels with MLMs are uncanny.
What is MLM's? Here's what the Times says about a council.

Hackney council was marked down for its poor “role models” section, scoring only 9.5 out of 22 points — a disappointing result for the council whose leader, the Mayor of Hackney, Philip Glanville, and his husband were the first same-sex couple in the borough to convert their civil partnership. T

The council was also penalised because its internal LGBT network had only gay leaders and no transgender ones. In a letter, sharing Stonewall’s feedback for improvement, a council representative wrote: “Suggestion: Better use of social media accounts. Would like to see examples from the main account because of the reach it has. Need more on trans, especially as they are currently under attack in the media.”

highame · 26/06/2021 10:32

So when Nicola Sturgeon gave her broadcast plea, she was really pleading her place as a stonewall champion and asking not to be downgraded. Wow

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 26/06/2021 10:29

@EmbarrassingAdmissions

Which of the articles is this in?

StonewalleEquality list 'bullies bosses and silences dissent' piece:

That explains the personal video from Sturgeon to the TRAs leaving the party, the way the treatment of Joan McAlpine / Joanna Cherry was completely ignored, and the way TRAs have been gerrymandered into roles on the NEC / top of lists.
Ekofisk · 26/06/2021 10:28

In light of the loss incurred last year, it’s interesting that Stonewall has extended its accounting period from 30 September 2020 to 31 March 2021.

So instead of having to submit accounts by the end of July 2021 it’s been pushed out to end of December 2021.

The Times articles on Stonewall: 26.06.2021
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