mumsnet have moved one of my threads without permission and effectivelly instructed us how we may or may not discuss things.

Just as well we're not watched, monitored, and maliciously reported by people who'd rather silence women, isn't it?

Don't be so cynical Arabella

Ok. I lasted 2 seconds before I did a real snort laugh.

I'm with you, stumbled.

I thought people wanted to be able to ignore the 'sex and gender' topic, so why would people be asking for threads to be moved out of here and into the other one? Doesn't that defeat the whole point?

Well, unless the whole idea was just a diversionary tactic to cause strife, ill-will and confusion, and further irritate the mods. Just as well we're not watched, monitored, and maliciously reported by people who'd rather silence women, isn't it?

Freud definitely wasn't alive when email was invented.

But it looks like mumsnet seem to think they are runnning a nursery school were naughtly toddlers need to be told how to right think.

I don't think I am in a nursery school being told how to right think.
I don't interpret anything mumsnet has done as putting me in a nursery school.

Stumbledin however is fairly insistent that I'm in a nursery school.

And i agree with turquoise and i agree that stumbled did not compare us to children in any way shape or form

Just while I’m here…

Decision tree:

Is it about the sex and gender identity debate.

Y - in the sex and gender board.
N - in the feminist chat board.

You're welcome.

started a thread on the newsnight programme from last night about the man eventually convicted of killing two women after years of police failure

For reason known only to the irrational concepts of mumsnet they have moved it to the "chat" board

This is on one level just plain daft as there is already a thread on there about this, so there didn't need to be another

But I specifically chose to have it on this thread as this is more likely to be where women who understand about women's sex based oppression post and I wanted to interact with them

Well thats absolutely ridiculous, i think they should explain why they moved it

Blimey. Just, blimey.

stumbled

I wrote celebrate and my phone changed it, before I get reported for biscuiting!

I do get the dilemma, I've been involved in change were I have objected on the grounds that it won't work and have been told I am resisting change.
It's the old denial conundrum, I'm not an alcoholic, yes that's what alcoholics say.

However 😜

Most of the objecting I can see are huge inflations of the glass half empty theory.

A board specialising in the debate we demanded (and I include myself in that) now exists.

Can't we 🥂?

The model is both about employees and completely transferable to users, it's about human behaviour.

The size of the change affects how much unfreezing is needed and it's clear that this is the source of conflict. I expect mumsnet had a real dilemma about how possessive users/are.

I'm not at all misinterpreting Stumbledin. By implication those that have got on with it are happy in the mummies playground we are now speaking in. Challenging that as an insult is less about those getting on with it and more about the characterisation of us Stumbledin is forming, that we are passive children and not adults that are accepting of change without the need for extended handling through it.

^ resistance/adaptation

Apologies if I've missed anything, but have you reported your thread, OP, and asked them to move it back? I wasn't pleased with where some of mine landed after the split, I asked and they were happy to move them.

So, if you're wanting to use Lewin's model, the first stage Unfreeze is about explaining the need for change and motivating your people to want to change. Unfortunately none of that happened here.

Of course what you are looking at is resistance/adaption to change in users, not management or staff.

Now I understand (I think) why MN wanted to make this change, but as we are not employees of MN, but its users, none of the change management model actually applies to us. It is better applied to Justine and her team.

P.S. I would suggest that you are misinterpreting stumbledin's meaning with the comparison to teens/toddlers. It's not a judgement of those who have welcomed or at the verly least acquiesced to the change that says we are teens/toddlers but a reflection on how she thinks posters on this board are being treated as if we were teens/toddlers.

P.S.S. I don't welcome the change, because I think it is counterproductive on all measures (i.e. for us and for what MN needs) but we are essentially sharecroppers here. Either you accept the rules and the structure of the board or you don't. I simply don't have the energy to fight something I don't have control over. But I'll certainly not judge anyone who has the passion to do so. I happen to know that tilting at windmills is not always the folly it seems to be.

www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newPPM_94.htm

This is a great change model. In this Stumbledin you were insufficiently "unfrozen".

Any thoughts on the model?

Well, that's crap of them. I guess we need to put "please do not move this thread as it relates to women's sex-based oppression" in every OP.

Or you could just include in every thread starter "PS trans women are not women" Which is tempting, but probably not wise.

It's been an interesting study in how change averse people are Stumbledin.

Reaction to change reflects who we are. Many are getting on with it, and those still objecting are demonstrating resistance to change, something I do find fascinating, particularly in the context of feminism.

I can't help but notice how much posting you have done about this change, and as someone used to observing resistance to change your multiple posts have definitely caught my eye. And that of others no doubt.

It's interesting to read the approach you are taking, that every one is childish or immature for getting on with it and by implication the only mature approach is to carry on objecting.

I would agree if it wasn't for the fact that most of your objections are quite far off the mark.

Pleased you are enjoying my observations.

Whistfulwisteria - what are you talking about.

I'm talking about this.

But it looks like mumsnet seem to think they are runnning a nursery school were naughtly toddlers need to be told how to right think.

Do you really need to keep insulting everyone?

It's pissing me off. I wanted to discuss something today that came up (I have no friends to talk to about these things so post
on here instead) and I didn't know where to post so didn't bother. I find interaction difficult enough without having to think about which board is best for each feminism question.