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Still Blue, Still Stocking: The Bluestocking remains open in 2021

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ErrolTheDragon · 25/06/2021 14:06

I've nicked a title, opened the door, dusted off the bar.

Come in and drown your sorrows, celebrate or just hang out in good company.

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SirSamuelVimes · 04/07/2021 10:46

I've got a full fry up on the go if anyone wants some. And hash browns in the oven. No black pudding though, hate the stuff.

Am feeling a bit despondent after the prisons verdict and essex uni apologising for the findings of the report. Bacon, mushroom, eggs and fried bread might help.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/07/2021 10:43

Coffee and pastries please. What a lovely source of treats there is here.
I've just spent a delightful time chuckling over the AIBU quit while we're ahead thread (which MNHQ in their wisdom are about to delete sadly).

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 04/07/2021 10:34

Dd is very much in the be kind camp, doesn’t seem to understand that the definition of non binary for example can differ

She is very much of the opinion that non binary means that you are bith a man and a woman not that you don’t’feel like either

I’m kinda leaving her to it

she came back from a club she does a few weeks ago and told me there were two non binary children in the class…fair enough

She came home last week and was very disparaging about another child that came in that day saying that she was non binary and her pronouns were they/he…..apparently (according to dd) she isn’t non binary, shes only doing it because the other children are doing it

Dd is soooooo close

Just had a granola bar as i was hungry after reading the thread

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 04/07/2021 10:04

Range of pastries, breads, cheeses, meat, fruit, granola available - I shall scrabble round and see if there's any of yesterday's salmon in the fridge.

I shall drink coffee, nibble pecans and some cheese.

I've no problem at all with people arguing for justice, I prefer a certain decorum to be maintained and all parties are to avoid #nodebate or mantras as a substitute for thought.

ArabellaScott · 04/07/2021 09:28

I remember reading something along the lines that 'I want a child who is confident enough to speak up when they see injustice and argue the point' - just - not when they're arguing with me. Grin

Not easy to raise a child with a strong sense of justice, for sure.

Turned · 04/07/2021 08:58

Thanks Errol. Clearly I need more coffee.

Turned · 04/07/2021 08:57

Coffee’s on and I’m making pancakes. Blueberries, bacon & maple syrup, bananas…

Thanks Turned.

ErrolTheDragon · 03/07/2021 17:59

That's good, Turned. Perhaps one of the things that can make a difference is for girls to be thoroughly aware that feminism and equality isn't a won battle, and to engage in girls' and women's rights. If they then in that context also want to support trans rights (I'd hope supporting LGB would be a given anyway) then all well and good. It's blinkered one sidedness and dismissing women's rights and concerns which is problematic, isn't it?

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lazylinguist · 03/07/2021 17:54

Since our most recent conversation on the topic, I get the impression that my woke 15yo has at least understood that my views are actually not in any way motivated by hatred, 'phobia' or intolerance. So we're back to largely avoiding the subject, but perhaps with a bit less underlying indignance and hostility. So I'm thankful for small mercies.

Turned · 03/07/2021 17:09

I shall have a cold beer in the garden, and some prawn cocktail crisps while I wait for the storm.

I have written to my MP re yesterday’s judgement. My cusp-of-wokeling daughter told me today that she’s going to write to her school’s PE leader to ask when girls will get the same choice of activities as boys. I am a bit proud. I agree with Arabella although I am now even more nervous about what lies ahead in the wokescold years. If I can raise a daughter who’s not afraid to speak up for what she believes in, I will have achieved something. Even if her something opposes my something. Ask me how that’s working out in a year or two…

ArabellaScott · 03/07/2021 13:59

Aww, as an eldest sister who was desperately, earnestly, fervently into various hopeless causes as a teen, I do feel for your DD1. I recall doing a pub collection for orang-utans once, it was quite surreal. I guess it's good that she is sticking up for her beliefs, mistaken as they may be. Smile

FannyCann · 03/07/2021 13:27

Oh yes I've had a proper scold. On Friday letters from the ONS replying to my letter about including Sex in the census questions arrived, addressed to me, DH and DD2. As I remember I printed off letters from the campaign, shoved them under DH and DD's noses and told them to sign before posting. DD2 doesn't care.
DD1 is outraged and threatening to write a letter (which she will make DD2 sign) to retract the original letter! Hmm
Because of Covid this is the only time she's been home for a year and when she goes back to Spain it'll probably be another year. DH is her number one fan and misses her terribly. When her quarantine is done she'll be working again for a lovely local pub group who have been great employers to both DDs so hopefully she won't rub them up the wrong way.
Last summer, with all the BLM statue toppling etc she wrote to the MD pointing out that it was inappropriate to have one of their dining rooms named after a local slave trader. I told her it might have been more appropriate to send words of sympathy for troubles to the business due to Covid etc but anyway the MD has always valued what a hard worker she is and sent her a lovely letter agreeing with her which made her cock a hoop and she worked there all summer when they reopened.
Personally I'd rather employ DD2 who once spilt gravy down the backs of several diners in a row ruining a £2500 suede jacket along the way. Grin She's always happy and fun and easy going.

So I might bring her along later as an honorary member and let her tend to the camel and top up glasses. I adore eggs florentine and so does DD2.

ArabellaScott · 03/07/2021 13:04

Jedward and hagfish might be acceptable if smothered in enough Hollandaise.

Commiserations for those with wokescold children. How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless child ...

AutumnCrocus · 03/07/2021 12:28

Love the phrase "wokescold" I'm definitely going to use that to her, next time she starts on at me!
And yes, I wish she'd stayed on in the house she shares, tbh and if I get any more from her she'll be told to go back there, pronto.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 03/07/2021 11:38

The eggs and salmon were just what I needed - and the lake of coffee is powering me through.

Emphatically do not want "jedward" and "hagfish" in any form. They sound like an educational plus a Phys. Ed instructor at the gulag in which we'll all find ourselves some day if the portal to Badley F should fail.

I wish tranquillity to all those of you who are dealing with a Greek chorus of wokescolds.

lazylinguist · 03/07/2021 11:08

Drooling at the thought of eggs Florentine. (But definitely not at the thought of Jedward or Hagfish).

Sympathies to all with woke scold university age children. I've been hoping my nearly 16yo will see the light, but it sounds like university may only intensify the wokery.

SelfPortraitWithEels · 03/07/2021 10:42

My sympathies too - DD came back from nursery with blue paint in her hair so I fear she may be on the road to wokedom already... Grin

I an making eggs Florentine, if anyone wants some. For some reason my Hollandaise sauce comes out perfectly when made virtually. (When I say "eggs Florentine" I mean a pint of hollandaise with a soldier-crouton and a spinach leaf garnish - let me know if you'd prefer different proportions.)

In other news, my autocorrect suggested "jedward" and "hagfish" instead of hollandaise and garnish - so for anyone who'd like something a bit more nouveau cuisine...

SirSamuelVimes · 03/07/2021 09:52

Good god, bloody Marys all round for those of you with woke scold children returning home to lecture you. I honestly don't think I'd have the patience to have them in the house. Anyone who talks to me like shit has no place in my home. Can't they stay at uni / wherever they would be normally and work during the holidays? It's what I did and most of my uni mates. Then then can happily sit around and lecture each other on how to be kind and curse the terfdom of their parents together.

BatmansBat · 03/07/2021 09:45

Gutted to have missed pizza evening last night. I will just have whatever coffee is going.

FannyCann · 03/07/2021 09:42

I'd LOVE some smoked salmon and sourdough with the Bloody Mary Grumpy

Later I will bring all the meat for the BBQ
Not quite a week and I've had enough of vegan food. Honestly I agree with the principle of eating less meat for various reasons, and love lots of vegetarian meals but I find vegan so trying. No eggs for instance means I can't even make some Bara Brith which is predominantly dried fruit and just the one egg in the whole loaf. I'll bring that along too, it's so miraculously easy to make and being fat free all the better when smothered with butter!

FannyCann · 03/07/2021 09:37

Can I drop in for another Bloody Mary or two?
Crocus I share your problem with DD. My eldest is home for a couple of months school holidays - she has been working as a teaching assistant in Spain since graduating last summer and as far as I'm concerned the autumn term and return to Spain can't come soon enough. There are no meal time conversations, just lectures, delivered in the most patronising of tones. The world needs to go vegan (I'm going to serve myself a massive steak one of these nights to eat while she munches on her chickpeas). Yesterday I pointed out the harms to women in prisons and got the reply "yes but it's only one or two and DD2 and I will never be in prison so you should devote your energies to more important causes". How the F did I bring up a daughter like that? I'm so ashamed of her.
Then at supper we heard that she is a fan of women's football as she has a friend who plays so I pointed out that it may be less fun for her friend when men join in and was told that men pose no problem due to their low testosterone after they have been on treatment. When I pointed out they are still bigger and stronger I was told I was a T**f and it was too upsetting coming home and being in my presence.
I'm actually staying off alcohol for various reasons at present but it does mean I'm not guilty of descending into a drunken rant, I'm trying hard to keep my mouth shut for the most part. Thank God for DD2 who told her she had become a really horrible person!

Turned · 03/07/2021 09:00

Morning! I’ve made coffee for Embarassing, Crocus, Weevils and anyone else coming to after the lock in. Also, pastries, strawberries from the garden, and there’s some toast on.

My daughter is early teens and struggling a bit with all this too.

I’m hoping for an appeal on yesterday’s news. Which reminds me, I need to write to my MP.

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 03/07/2021 08:45

Smoked salmon and sourdough toast for breakfast?

Crocus I share your pain. My eldest is a bit of a wokester and it's very wearing. The youngest can be a bit woke at times. It's very wearing to be lectured on sexism when you grew up in the 70s and 80s, and even more wearing to be lectured on racism when you saw apartheid in action, and had a 'Black majority rule now!' sticker on the back of a storybook when you were 8.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 03/07/2021 04:02

I've finally finished Friday's work.

I shall now hunt out any left over slices of pizza in the faint hope that they've not been fed to the camel.

Whoever's in early, I'll be the senseless lump somewhere. I'll probably stir if I smell coffee but I'm mostly harmless.

theThreeofWeevils · 03/07/2021 00:42

Pull up an unconscious punter (it's been a hard week all round) and sit down. To windward of the camel, I think, and then we can have a dacent little lock-in. With sweets - we have rose candy, and also ALL the booze...
Give the daughter five years and she'll be mortified at her stupendous twattery. Meanwhile, hard to live with. Another? Gettit down yer.
But also meanwhile,
Our camel sniffs the evening and is glad