GC protected belief and use of cis

Adult human females are not a subset of women - therefore they are not cis, and many women find that label offensive as it implies they believe in gender ideology.

Bloody extra against in there

Exactly, merrymouse.

And in a culture where people who weren’t Christians were being discriminated against and marginalised against for their (lack of) belief.

Using "cis" is really an easy way to answer either question fully and unambiguously.

For me it would be similar to answering yes or no if somebody asked whether I was ‘saved’. Either answer would imply that I believe in the Christian concept of being saved.

I would describe myself as a woman who doesn't have a gender identity. I think that's clear. I am not cis.

exactly - call all women "women" and when you need to differentiate between cis and trans, use cis and trans. As a biologist, I've never understood the fuss about "cis" tbh. It just makes the discussion easier, where differentiation is needed.

That presupposes a belief in gender ideology, which I don’t share. In fact I think gender ideology is oppressive, misogynistic and homophobic and for those reasons am actively against it.

The people you call “trans women” are not women at all afaic. Using “cis” and “trans” to “differentiate” between biologically female people and biologically male trans people gives substance and succour to the falsehood that some biologically male people “are” women. An ideologically driven falsehood that, as I’ve said, I see as oppressive, misogynistic and homophobic.

So that’s why I’m making a “fuss” about it. (Interestingly dismissive choice of phrasing there, btw.) Because I will not be forced to collude in my own oppression. Oppression that people like you seem to be determined to force on me.

And you can disingenuously claim not to be aware of this all you like, just as you can claim to be a biologist, if you so choose, but it really doesn’t make any difference to how hollow your “argument” is.

oh, and I was constantly misgendered as a child up to about 12..

So? Every little girl with short hair will be misgendered at some time in her childhood.

that won't work in that context, because if I was a trans woman, I'd answer "no" to "male" and "yes" to "female" and the person who asked would be none the wiser.

So in the context of something to do with sex , transwomen would deny their own physical sex. Let's hope that, if it is in a health context, the person asking the question can correctly sex them.

Is it misgendering to call someone cis who doesn't identify as cis?

I would say it is. I don't identify as cis and fundamentally disagree with its use to describe all biological women except transmen.

I am regularly referred to, in the media, online and even at work, as a ciswomen but I don't identify as cis and find it offensive to be referred to as cis.

But somehow I'm a "bigot" and a "transphobe" for objecting to being misgendered. Such hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance.

I would say it is exclusionary if work are using it on the intranet. If you do not believe in gender identity you can't be labelled cis as cis is part of the gender identity belief. I too have had a discussion about this at work and this was my viewpoint about it excluding all the people who do not believe they have a gender identity.

oh, and I was constantly misgendered as a child up to about 12...

And no - see my other answers. If I was a trans woman, I'd answer the question of whether I am a woman with "yes", I the question was "do you identify as a woman" and I'd answer "yes", people would think I am trans. Using "cis" is really an easy way to answer either question fully and unambiguously.

If I answer: "I am a cis woman" things are clear. If I answer "I am a woman" ppl might still think I am trans (as indicated by their original question

Do you think people would have a hard time correctly sexing you?

There are women and trans women.
No need for any 'cis' to differentiate women from a small % of males who 'identity as' women.

In discussions, I have been asked "so do you identify as a woman?"

Why would anyone ask you this?

If I answer: "I am a cis woman" things are clear. If I answer "I am a woman" ppl might still think I am trans (as indicated by their original question).

But what does that mean? That you actively identify with feminine stereotypes? What about your identity is exclusively female?

- the concept cis plus trans women make the entire population of women (irrespective of whether TWAW)

Indeed. It's an ideological belief I do not share.

If I answer: "I am a cis woman" things are clear. If I answer "I am a woman" ppl might still think I am trans (as indicated by their original question).

So? If TWAW why would you care?

If I answer: "I am a cis woman" things are clear. If I answer "I am a woman" ppl might still think I am trans (as indicated by their original question).

Make it? male or..

As s biologist , surely you know the difference between sex and the social construct that is gender identity? When talking about sex the use of " cis" is totally redundant as someone is either make it female , no matter how they may present.

As a biologist, I've never understood the fuss about "cis" tbh. It just makes the discussion easier, where differentiation is needed.

I don't think differentiation is possible, because the trans umbrella is so large. I think it's use can only indicate adherence to an ideology.

As a biologist, I've never understood the fuss about "cis" tbh. It just makes the discussion easier, where differentiation is needed.

Because a fair amount of the discussion tends to be occurring in a health or social care, social or political space where the nuanced introduction of cis and trans may be:
unclear at best for people with the average literacy level of a UK adult; at worst, and depending on the context, interpreted as dehumanising or a conscious attempt to exclude some people from the discussion;
a presupposition of one's stance on the matter of gender ideology.