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Trans - ??? Martine Rothblatt and Transhumanism *title edited by MNHQ at OP's request*

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adultingforever · 25/06/2021 00:25

I came across this today, and wonder what you all make of it?
uncommongroundmedia.com/martine-rothblatt-a-founding-father-of-the-transgender-empire/

The link works for me, so I hope you can read it, too. Is this just a conspiracy theory and we should not give it any time? Or is this a real concern?

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Novelusername · 25/06/2021 11:06

ool0n All I just heard was 'blah blah blah, you're all a bunch of anti-semitic, thick, right-wing conservative bigots' with no engagement with what has actually been said. No one has even mentioned the fact that Rothblatt is Jewish - if, indeed they are practising, I wouldn't know and its irrelevant. What is relevant is that Transhumanism has a lot of cult-like elements which I happen to have seen first hand, which seek to separate the self from the body and treat it as a container. This way of thinking would be greatly beneficial to anyone wishing to sell surgical procedures and technological implants, as Rothblatt does. Attempting some sort of oppression Olympics to defend a poor little Jewish woman, who has in fact a billionaire male, when you are in fact talking to a poor, working-class, unemployed, left-wing woman is exactly the kind of gaslighting I've come to expect from the TRAs. Your hypocrisy really has no bounds.

ool0n · 25/06/2021 10:53

@adultingforever

I came across this today, and wonder what you all make of it? uncommongroundmedia.com/martine-rothblatt-a-founding-father-of-the-transgender-empire/

The link works for me, so I hope you can read it, too. Is this just a conspiracy theory and we should not give it any time? Or is this a real concern?

What's going on is the joining of QAnon level conspiracy and the gender critical movement. Not surprising to me as reactionary social conservative movements generally devolve to this sort of comet pizza level conspiracising. This is an anti-Semitic conspiracy as well as being completely loopy, the Jewish woman blamed for introducing "degenerate" ideas into society to damage it. Given powers and influence beyond anything resembling reality. Sad no one here has pointed that out, just immediately agreed with it!

No one in my circle of trans friends, trans allies, people commenting on trans activism, had ever heard of Martine Rothblatt until Jennifer Bilek created this weird anti-Semitic conspiracy. Not the only one she's been involved in either. I suggest everyone here giving this bigotry credence reads this thread - twitter.com/christapeterso/status/1366489983574413317

Novelusername · 25/06/2021 10:41

I haven't read these articles but am well aware of transhumanism and the links between this and transgenderism. There's really a great deal of overlap. It would advantage someone such as Rothblatt to encourage people to think of their bodies as a kind of 'meat lego' that they can enhance and adapt, adding and subtracting parts, as Rothblatt's business is pharmaceuticals. It sounds wacky as hell, but transhumanist thinking has a big influence on Silicon Valley and also on the younger generation. I went to a Transhumanist talk once and it was mainly young men in their teens and early twenties, who were given a very utopian vision of the future where technology is presented as solving various of the world's ills, including devices that could stop you feeling any pain. There was an almost religious fervour directed towards what was being presented, very little questioning. There is so much money to be made by selling tech implants, devices, bodily enhancements etc with these sold as freeing the individual from the limits of their own bodies. To some extent that's all well and good, but there's never any critical thinking about the implications - particularly on the more vulnerable in society - as to what these changes may lead to.

NewlyGranny · 25/06/2021 10:29

The truth is that there is no apparent limit to the craziness of powerful men people when they get rich enough to pursue their fantasies. You only need to look at Elon Musk's rockets, really.

It doesn't necessarily mean they have a worldwide evil conspiracy behind them, but it does seem they can jump on a trend and influence policy and practice.

There have always been people who want to live forever - Walt Disney and cryogenics spring to mind - and this person seems to have some of those hallmarks and obsessions.

It's the damage they do to others in their wake that concerns me.

Shedbuilder · 25/06/2021 10:12

You need to change your title to mention Martine Rothblatt. I clicked on this by accident.

I would have laughed at those theories a few years ago, but now I have begun to understand how strong this male sexual urge is and how neatly it fits with misogyny and sexism, I'm prepared to give it credence. It's noticeable that it's mainly privileged, financially independent white men who go the Rothblatt route and torch their families and their past in pursuit of a sexual fetish.

This interview with a trans widow/ survivor of abuse on Graham Linehan's You Tube channel will give you a glimpse of the extent of it:

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/a-woman-to-look-out-for-jennifer

So many older, autogynephiliac men who live their life on-line, in a fantasy world with other men, exchanging porn and then seeking women to act it out with and validate themselves. In the past they would have been the only one like them around and it would have been a secret. Now they're an on-line community and they're organised.

donquixotedelamancha · 25/06/2021 06:45

Martine Rothblatt is an accomplished lawyer who is also a bit of a nut.

The article wildly overstates her influence but she's certainly contributed to US thinking on trans issues. Her thoughts on bioethics are (being generous) an exercise in speculation about possible technological futures. She's spouted some total bollocks and there is certainly no grand conspiracy to create transhumans- it's just fantasy.

adultingforever · 25/06/2021 04:06

I Googled several of the names that come up in the two articles I linked, but I am asking what people think is actually going on here? I can't quite put it all together, personally.

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NiceGerbil · 25/06/2021 02:55

I mean just Google. Plenty of info.

NiceGerbil · 25/06/2021 02:49

Some more mainstream links

Martina's wife bibi meets the robot built in her image:

Wiki bina48 robot

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BINA48

FOJN · 25/06/2021 01:40

I'd ask for your thread title to be changed, it might get more engagement.

The articles you linked to bring together quite a few names who have been influential in pushing gender ideology. Quite frightening that one person with bonkers ideas has been so involved in developing international policy and strategy on trans rights. The ties to the pharmaceutical industry will be no surprise to anyone. Who knows if there is really a plan to create human/robot hybrids or whether the whole thing is just the insane ambitions of a small number of people with the money and power to progress the project. I'm in no doubt the trans movement is not really about trans rights and has a much more sinister agenda; is this it?

It's been apparent to me for sometime that's the world's wealthiest people are positioning themselves to have more power than elected governments but then what?

The robot wife is as creepy as fuck.

adultingforever · 25/06/2021 00:26

Here's another!! www.the11thhourblog.com/post/the-transhumanism-in-the-middle-of-the-gender-identity-living-room

What is going on?

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