Joan of Arc was trans????

I know it's a lot to ask, but it would be nice if mumsnet could explain specifically why a post has been deleted, as I know I didn't write anything hateful and there was no-one to misgender.

@MrsBunHat she said at her trial that she dressed as a man because God had commanded her to do that. She was not in any kind of disguise. It's not possible to tell what was going on in her head.

Yes, but she also called herself a woman. I didn't say it was a disguise, more what she needed to do to achieve her aims.

(Although many men and women in history have disguised themselves ad the opposite sex and that didn't make them trans either...)

I pass this statue most days, Aethelflaed, our lady of the Mercians. She was quite the badass so probably only a matter of time until the lady title gets dropped from history. As the statue finishes at the waist perhaps they’ll be known as Aethelflaed, our non binary person of the Mercians?

@ekofish either it's specific, in which case she can't say anything, or it's generic, in which case there is no problem with posting a screenshot of the offending page.

@DadJoke

I have read OP’s contributions. Yes, OP stated that the resources were on their work email. That doesn’t make it specific to their school though.

Surely the point of the Joan of Arc story was how remarkable it was that God used a woman to lead an army - thus within a patriarchal culture - the point being God does not limit women the way society does. Society is wrong in limiting women.

....limit women the way the society does.....hmmmm....

@ekofish she said that she couldn't post any specifics because she'd get into trouble as it would identify her. That would not be the case if it was a resource. Read her contributions. I am sure she can clarify if she wants to.

@MrsBunHat she said at her trial that she dressed as a man because God had commanded her to do that. She was not in any kind of disguise. It's not possible to tell what was going on in her head.

Do you not think its possible that the voice of God could have been her way or trying to rationalise or process relentless dysphoria?

I think as she had some powerful motives - to fight and to avoid being raped - occam's razor suggests they are the best explanation, rather than that she just had some urge to wear "men's" clothes, or suffered from dysphoria. Honestly she comes across to me as someone who had more pressing things to concern her than mulling over her "identity". Even if she wanted to be a boy, she knew she couldn't change sex and knew she was female, so she got on with it. Much like me in 1978. And was I trans? No.

People thinking they can just identify into the opposite sex and that what they feel like matters more than reality is a pretty modern phenomenon.

[quote DadJoke]@ekofisk - if it had been in the resource pack, OP would have had no problem showing it to us. Asking wot see what the actual fuss is about entirely reasonable. A screenshot would be fine. But, she said she couldn't provide information because it was specific to her school. It is not up to me to provide evidence for someone else's post. I've searched pretty hard. If it says "Joan of Arc was a trans man" as the OP suggests, then it would be problematic.

@GoingGently living women can speak for themselves about their gender identity.[/quote]
@DadJoke

Can you point to any of OP’s posts where they said it’s specific to their school?

🤦‍♀️ Give me strength.

@DadJoke as before. If you think the OP is suspect or malicious then report the post. Stop troll hunting on the thread itself.

Wrong on all counts, but thanks for playing.

[quote Ekofisk]@DadJoke

it's 100% not on the Just Like Us charity website

No it’s not on the website, it’s most likely in the resource pack that you have to sign up to receive.

Have you signed up to receive the resource pack? That would settle the matter then, wouldn’t it?[/quote]
9 pages of reactionary scaremongering over a great initiative - Schools Diversity Week - and no evidence the OP is even referencing anything from the initiative!

@Inthetropics for you and your wife, that sounds horrible

Actually reminds me of the Victorian notion of hysteria....if they are not conforming there must be something WRONG with them... then it was hysteria, now it's dysphoria.... same old same old

This is an absolute insult to her name. She was captured by the British and they kept giving her male clothing and saying she brought it in herself magically into her prison. This meant she was a witch and as a result burnt her at the stake- don't rewrite history!

@Imasoulman And as much clothing is unisex - which would have shocked our Victorian forefathers - and modern women would seem very bold in comparison to Victorian feminine stereotypes, then we’re all transmen now.

@DadJoke

it's 100% not on the Just Like Us charity website

No it’s not on the website, it’s most likely in the resource pack that you have to sign up to receive.

Have you signed up to receive the resource pack? That would settle the matter then, wouldn’t it?

I have encountered transmen (both very young, early 20s at most) who insist "I am a transman because I don't want to wear lipstick." In which case, I too am trans and just never realized!