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Is #bekind unkind?

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 23/06/2021 09:27

I've lost an hour on twitter looking at the debate around the IOC decisions in sport and how that impacts on female athletes. Laurel Hubbard is at the centre of these discussions, and the way Laurel is described is often quite far from hashtag-be-kind. I expect this is the cause of some stress for Laurel.

I'm thinking of the kids in my 14 year old's class - 3 female born children who are all either autistic or care experienced, who are causing a lot of drama in the school with demands to control other kid's speech. One of these kids was upset with my son because although he used the other kids' preferred pronouns and latest new name, the other kid didn't believe that my son believed they are actually a boy. And so my son was told off for not believing that a kid he has known since nursery has magically changed sex.

I think honesty is kind - it might be hard to hear, and it might cause distress which needs managed, but it is better than telling untruths. The worst scene scenario is that someone lands up being the poster-trans for the Olympics and at the centre of a frank and sometimes personal debate.

Laurel is now a story that is getting more attention than the effect of the pandemic on the Olympics. By saying "yes" to Laurel the IOC have created a horrible situation for Laurel.

When did we stop thinking that saying "no" can be protective? Are we, as a society, doing harm to people by agreeing to pretend that humans can change sex?

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 23/06/2021 09:45

For clarity, Babdoc - I agree with you. Hubbard should not be taking the space a woman has trained for.

But, I don't think it is Hubbard's fault that elite sport has this ludicrous situation - it is the sporting bodies who are too chicken to say "no".

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Jellycatspyjamas · 23/06/2021 09:39

One of these kids was upset with my son because although he used the other kids' preferred pronouns and latest new name, the other kid didn't believe that my son believed they are actually a boy.

I don’t think we do any favours allowing anyone to control our thinking or beliefs. Your DS is using the requested pronouns and name, that’s really all that can be asked if him.

And yes, I do think we do harm when #bekind means “set aside what you know and think the way I tell you”.

Babdoc · 23/06/2021 09:38

My only sympathy is for the poor woman who lost her place in the Olympic team.
Hubbard deserves to face all the opprobrium they are currently receiving. They knew what they were doing.
Males should not be allowed to compete in women’s sport because it is cheating, not because their feelings might be hurt by the resulting righteous anger.

Enb76 · 23/06/2021 09:34

I think #bekind can be misguided. Why should we #bekind to Laurel Hubbard when she is not extending the same courtesy to natal females from whom she has taken an Olympic place. Why should your son's #bekind mean that he actually has to believe something that is not true - who is being kind to him in this scenario?

I think in general we should be nice to people and not be arseholes but that doesn't mean we should give up our own boundaries in order to do so.