Laurel Hubbard is the beginning of the end of women’s sports

It's Doublethink though. It's Orwellian. The whole thing is Orwellian.

None of it makes any logical sense, or scientific sense, or is truthful in any way.

Whether Hubbard gets a medal or not, a young woman has been denied the opportunity to become an Olympian

I don't think it's acceptable that people are saying that see Hubbard will make this more visible and the public will see. The public already see, I know it's different but they saw Semenya and whilst something has happened now it's not all over and it hasn't been properly addressed

Semenya Was a bit different though - the narrative was “thought she was a woman, always told she was a women, lived as a woman all her life, these tests now are a total surprise to her, poor thing”

Now as we know that was kinda lies, but at the time that was the narrative.

FondofBeetles posted this on twitter:

Chances of a 43 year old female appearing in super heavyweight Olympic weightlifting?

1 in 308,000.

Hubbard is three times more likely to be struck by lightning than a 43 year old female is to appear in this event.

I agree. So depressing. Can anyone link to a petition to sign?

The name for this is male supremacism.

Indeed it is, Redapplewreath. Indeed it is.

As of course it always has been.

This is a valid issue Lou

There has been discussion in the tests and assessments done to try and figure out the difference in performance between TW athletes and W athletes, where it has to be acknowledged that this cannot be done without the TW being under high pressure to under perform to produce the results that would support their choices.

If we're going to exclude female athletes for male athletes to take their place in an event (and am using sex classifications not to be offensive but because it is the sex classification that unfairly excludes and disadvantages women athletes, not the gender) and those male athletes will then under perform and avoid winning because of it creating negative attention..... what is the point of even bothering to continue with women's sports for anyone? TW or W? Who gains what, other than the obviously very valued personal emotional experience of competing publicly in a chosen gender identity? And is that experience for a TW and the nice publicity, a proportional, justifiable reason to exclude female athletes from the competition and to damage the international furthering of female sports, titles, records and the whole point of female competition for half the human race?

This is awful.

Why should women risk their careers because the IOC etc are privileged men with no spines and no interest in women’s sport. This is THEIR responsibility and fuck up.

I think the duty is on the men to speak out and say - hey Laurel - come to our side

I don't think Laurel will win. I expect they know the backlash if they do and there's more profit and exposure for them if they get to be the flag bearer of transwomen in sport because hey they didn't win like those nasty feminist said they would.

If this was a progressive, inclusive agenda it would ensure that all benefitted equally and there were no losers. This by definition excludes females and that's supposed to be a good thing .

Grouping by gender will always make female people losers. Where are the transactivists and politicians who are so focused on intersectionality and fairness and diversity and social justice? Why aren't they on this? Why aren't they shouting no, not like this, we need better ways that raise up the full diversity of male athletes without trampling half the human race underfoot?

I suspect you are correct Lordamighty. I hope that that enough well argued and persistent cases are put to the OIC to remove the policy that allows males to ever participate in female sports.

I think the OIC has said that after this olympics they are inclined to allow the sporting federations to make their own policies. This will be a very dangerous move, we already believe that these bodies are not interested in preserving female sports (I expect plenty of those making the decisions are also not female).

The OIC needs to have the gumption to admit that them accepting Harper's study as a basis for this decision was the wrong choice and roll back the decision, and in fact, declare that until such time as it can be PROVED with repeated studies that there is a way to include males into women's sports, that they will not be included (like the World Rugby decision).

I used to admire NZ prime minister Jacinda Ardern, but not anymore...
www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/31684661/new-zealand-pm-jacinda-ardern-backs-transgender-weightlifter-olympic-selection

I wonder if she would still support the disgusting and scientifically unfair practice of allowing male-born transwomen in women's sports if her very own daughter were older and missed out on qualifying in her school sports teams because a male-born "woman" performed better than her. Would Jacinda console her daughter by saying "Parties here have simply followed the rules"???

I was particularly shocked to be reminded by the BBC article that a country may enter only one athlete into an event. So NZ have two male entrants in the two events available, excluding female athlete representation altogether.

Inclusion my arse. Nurturing and celebrating male choices and feelings about personal identity ahead of females participating at all? Celebrating a mediocre male athlete ensuring that females are blocked from competing in women's events, setting women's world records out of reach of female athletes, for their own personal glory? The name for this is male supremacism.

A lot of countries are not raising objections yet because they have their own transgender athletes coming through the system, ready to steal even more medals from females. I feel that LH is being used to test the waters, to see how the public will react.
I hope the outcry is loud & clear because women’s sport is finished if it isn’t.

Such a powerful image, timeisnotaline

How do the so-called progressives square the inclusion of one "minority" with the exclusion of another? Not being snarky, I genuinely want to know how they justify this.

This.

If Your Feminism…

Distressing and depressing.

I could howl for for the likely future of women's sports and what it means for the entire research field in this area.

I don't think it's acceptable that people are saying that see Hubbard will make this more visible and the public will see. The public already see, I know it's different but they saw Semenya and whilst something has happened now it's not all over and it hasn't been properly addressed.

If one woman misses out, it is too much, this needs to be where the bar is set.

Something should be done right now. I would like to see all athletes saying this is wrong, coaches and heads of state. A large group standing up to the IOC and making noise is what is needed. The tread softly slowly approach needs to be thrown out of the window.

If Your Feminism Doesn’t Exclude Women of Colour at To Prioritise Rich White Males Your Feminism is Bullshit.

Apparently.

Young women of colour, step aside please.

For a privileged rich white Male,

Young women of colour, step aside please.

Baffling that anyone can argue this is fair. Utterly baffling.