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Laurel Hubbard is the beginning of the end of women’s sports

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steakandcheeseplease · 22/06/2021 13:05

Not sure if another thread has been started on this. This really is the end. I spent ten years being a sports coach to children. I know males and females bodies are physically different and behave different in sport. This is an absolute tragedy for our young aspiring female athletes. A mediocre male weightlifter rising to the top of the womens ranks purely because of his physiology. Stealing a place that is rightly a females. This is my actual WTF moment.

[https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/laurel-hubbard-is-the-beginning-of-the-end-of-women-s-sports]

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EsmaCannonball · 22/06/2021 18:26

I have a friend from China who is tall and there was a lot of interest in sending him off to a specialist kind of boarding school when he was a child, to turn him into an elite volleyball/handball/basketball player. Children there are sent off to specialist sports' schools from a very young age. China is absolutely going to embrace this.

Wegobshite · 22/06/2021 18:23

I do think that it will be Sports and the absolute ridiculousness of men competing in women’s categories will be what makes people realise what’s happening
It’s definitely making the men I know suddenly have a WTF did I just see - 😂 moment
Sports often mean a lot to men in that its a team building and teaching fairness from a young age
As my DH said nothing fair in a man beating a women
He can’t get how a man would want to take a trophy that is for women .
He’s in a right rage over it 😂

NevermindNelson · 22/06/2021 18:20

This is the discussion in NZ, from the Stuff website, with some other pages supporting them.

"What a lot of people don't understand is the disruption of the endocrine system and the actual significant impact to the human physiology where the brain is actually disconnected from the major vital or organs and function of the human physiology." Kristen Worsley

Alternista · 22/06/2021 18:20

Hopefully this links to the excellent post by James Smith PT on this subject:

fb.watch/6hR9ki2VpQ/

EsmaCannonball · 22/06/2021 18:17

One of the reasons girls are less likely to continue with sport is that there are so fewer opportunities to turn it into a paying career compared with men. At a time when male footballers were routinely taking home six figures a week, England's most capped female player, Fara Williams, was homeless. Things were beginning to change but now the misogynistic pushback has begun.

I hate the stupid argument that Hubbard might not even win gold, and therefore it doesn't matter. That just means a really mediocre male has stolen an elite woman's place.

quiteathome · 22/06/2021 18:13

Interesting a trans man is competing in the woman's category.

Now shouldn't they be competing in the mens?

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 22/06/2021 18:11

What's to stop teams intentionally recruiting trans women en-masse in the hopes of building a 'female' team that can't possibly be beaten?

Have you seen the women's football team in Iran?

sanluca · 22/06/2021 18:08

What about Chelsea Wolfe, the US transwoman who is on the BMX team? An alternate, so only if their teammates don't ride, they will. So that is 2 confirmed plus the Italian paralympic transwoman. Going well. Who knew transwomen were such fantastic athletes....

cheeseismydownfall · 22/06/2021 18:07

@Wegobshite

My DH who isn’t been very aware of the TWAW debate is shouting at the tv “ He He “ Me & the dog thought he was watching some weird interactive tv show . Then I realised he was angrily shouting at the tv where they are talking about LH competing in the Olympics - My DH is shouting at the tv that “it’s a he not a she” - he even said he noticed that LH armpits has more hair than he has and he is struggling to get his head around this how he is able to compete in the woman’s category 😂😂

His brain is really hurting him at the moment .

As a male who has competed in high level MMA & boxing for many years he’s been in a right strop since watching this on tv today mumbling WTF is going on and he is suddenly starting to understand what I’ve been telling him for ages .
Previously he was well if they aren’t hurting anyone why are you getting so annoyed - now it’s like a little lights gone on in his head and he actually gets what the problem is .

I can only hope that a lot of people who have felt similar to my DH get their lightbulb moment

It is happening in our house. DH is GC in an intellectual sense, but I'm sure at times he thinks I have gone a bit tin-hat about the whole topic, and never raises it himself.

Since the story broke yesterday, he has come stomping into my office at least three times quoting new (to him) outrages about the ridiculousness of the whole situation. He is properly angry - as an ex-sportsman himself, I think this has finally ignited his sense of injustice about what is happening.

He even raised it with DS(13) yesterday (usually it is me who cautiously sows the seeds of critical thinking - we are both conscious that this is a dangerous area and at least three of his classmates have declared themselves trans). DS was absolutely incandescent.

I think this will be a lightbulb moment that a lot of men and boys who haven't engaged or who would rather just live an easy life.

WouldBeGood · 22/06/2021 18:01

James Smith, the PT guy, has put up a great Facebook post about this and the unfairness. Impressed!

justawoman76 · 22/06/2021 17:59

And this will never get the sunlight it deserves until it reaches something like Wimbledon. One can hope? (apart from the fact that it will take away a deserving place for a woman, maybe we need to see this farce being played out with the eyes of the word watching).

FFSFFSFFS · 22/06/2021 17:59

Whilst its crap that this has to happen - I do think that this will be one of the pivotal moment in getting the attention of all the Men Who Are Not Like That.

justawoman76 · 22/06/2021 17:56

Its ridiculous.
What's to stop teams intentionally recruiting trans women en-masse in the hopes of building a 'female' team that can't possibly be beaten?
If there is no rule on biology, what is the actual point in segregating ANY sport now? Why not just have a huge free for all?

It is literally the end of a level playing field.
Looking forward to the first 100m sprinter trans man who beats a natal man though. Oh wait, that will never happen. Wonder why.

Claphands · 22/06/2021 17:51

@Wegobshite

My DH who isn’t been very aware of the TWAW debate is shouting at the tv “ He He “ Me & the dog thought he was watching some weird interactive tv show . Then I realised he was angrily shouting at the tv where they are talking about LH competing in the Olympics - My DH is shouting at the tv that “it’s a he not a she” - he even said he noticed that LH armpits has more hair than he has and he is struggling to get his head around this how he is able to compete in the woman’s category 😂😂

His brain is really hurting him at the moment .

As a male who has competed in high level MMA & boxing for many years he’s been in a right strop since watching this on tv today mumbling WTF is going on and he is suddenly starting to understand what I’ve been telling him for ages .
Previously he was well if they aren’t hurting anyone why are you getting so annoyed - now it’s like a little lights gone on in his head and he actually gets what the problem is .

I can only hope that a lot of people who have felt similar to my DH get their lightbulb moment

Same here with my husband-the pennies dropping about the impact it has on women and girls .
knickertrick · 22/06/2021 17:51

9 males taking away an opportunity for females.

There's no transmen on that list.

If genderfeelz are so inclusive why exactly is that?

TedImgoingmad · 22/06/2021 17:50

@NewlyGranny

Ted, pop of NZ is 5 million,
You're right, thank you, sorry also to timeisnotaline . I don't doubt Fondofbeetles/Dr Emma Hilton though, she's done the research into transwomen in women's sport, so those stats will be evidence based I believe.
zafferana · 22/06/2021 17:40

OMG look at 'Valentina' Petrillo - he has male pattern baldness and what looks a bulge in his shorts and yet he might be competing as a woman. It's a fucking disgrace Angry

2021Vision · 22/06/2021 17:35

9 Trans athletes. ALL born male competing as female. Says it all!

I used to love watching the Olympics, not anymore.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 22/06/2021 17:31

NB - I have no doubt that there will be some athletes in football teams or other team sports (eg, cycling) who are not known at present.

NewlyGranny · 22/06/2021 17:29

Oops! Not less than half a million. But Samoa is much smaller and the young women Hubbard will be competing against will definitely have had none of the lifelong privileges enjoyed by Hubbard.

RandomMess · 22/06/2021 17:28

Have you seen the female Chinese relay team?

Beannag · 22/06/2021 17:27

Nah I think it's turned a lot of heads and might do the opposite. We can hope. Lots of people talking about it being ridiculous on reddit which I was surprised about, and challenging those with other views with reasonable arguments. Someone posted along the lines of I hope she purposefully makes sure not to win anything so that it doesn't prove their point, to which someone said oh the point that they're right.

NewlyGranny · 22/06/2021 17:27

Ted, pop of NZ is 5 million,

titchy · 22/06/2021 17:25

X post!