Laurel Hubbard is the beginning of the end of women’s sports

Wow. From the Times article:

Without this protected category, the biological reality is that at every single matched level — high school, club, county, Olympic Games — the best men outperform the best women by margins large enough that in a single sex category, women would disappear from that sport. For example, the 2016 Olympic 100m champion, Elaine Thompson, was outperformed by 1,826 boys and men that year, including by 14-year-olds, over-50s and Paralympic sprinters.

I wonder if they are all still on the team. Probably all 4 are men now.

Just asked my dd, 3 boys and a girl she said.

Ahah! Here it is!

I realise the thread has moved on, but I've been trying to add this image for an hour (bloody app). So here you are, I give you the Chinese 400m womens relay team...

Here you are AngeloMysterioso. A share token for the Times article by Ross Tucker.
He's a sports scientist, is on twitter and has been doing sterling work patiently describing all the biological advantages that males have over women in most sports. He demonstrates so clearly using evidence how the misnamed 'inclusion' is demonstrably unfair to women.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9b297206-d2bc-11eb-b50d-ece47261907f?shareToken=53b31ce2ec7555a2db1e378cbb84aac6

It's a tough situation because I see very little real protest against this outside of gender critical circles. I don't know if this is censorship or that public opinion genuinely supports Hubbard but either way the general media take seems to be positive. Anyone questioning Hubbard's inclusion is being told that they are out of step with 'the science' and that male puberty conveys no advantage for trans women athletes.

It goes against everything we've ever known about women in sports and the entire basis of having a separate female category in sports. Nonetheless it seems the public at large desperately wants to give middle-aged white male-born people the chance to achieve their dreams, given the oppression they have suffered for decades at the hands of evil witches women wanting to compete only against people who share their biology. I don't understand it and how people cannot see what it blatantly staring them in the face. It's the Emperor's New Clothes effect, I imagine, people wanting to fit in and say the right thing in case they are accused of being on the dreaded 'wrong side of history'.

@Helleofabore Joanna Harper has lot to answer for. The evidence they presented in that study was a complete joke & the influence they have wielded in women’s athletics because of it beggars belief.

I think what I’d do if I were the 2nd/3rd placed athlete behind a presumably victorious Hubbard would be to go to the podium, get my medal, then once Hubbard has been given the gold, the 2nd placed woman gives her silver medal to the 3rd placed, the 3rd placed takes off her medal to give to the 4th placed and together they walk away and leave Hubbard alone on the podium, wearing a medal the whole world knows isn’t rightfully theirs. Bonus points if they wear T-shirts with Kuinini Manamua’s name on.

Big burn

I've been looking forward to watching the Olympics with my DC. I now think we're going to have to avoid a lot of it. How can I sit and watch women's events with trans athletes in with my DDs? What answer can I give when they ask why there are men in the women's events (and they will, they're not stupid). The Olympics are meant to be inspirational to the young

I think it may be a light bulb moment because, sadly, most men have only woken up to the impact of the extreme trans movement on women when it comes to sport (though they might have noticed a few cyclists etc etc).

Perhaps someone can explain the other impacts to them, like the potential of self identification, the no platforming of women who have tried to explain and have been threatened with death/rape or lost their jobs.

Odd it takes one trans woman qualifying for an Olympic position for men (and a lot of under 30 woke of either sex) to think about the issues.

I admire The Spectator for highlighting this but it's an insult to all the female athletes (including many cyclists and basketball players and no doubt other sportswomen) who have ALREADY had their goals and records and accolades taken away from them.

A picture paints a thousand words but sometimes it just paints one.

@NecessaryScene Sorry, wasn’t Stuff, it was the New Zealand Herald www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/support-for-first-new-zealand-transgender-olympic-athlete-laurel-hubbard-grows/OMMTAJ2U4UT72HQW74QH2CKXAI/ a comment from Kristen Worley.

I remember the time when Oscar Pistorius identified as 'differently abled' and competed in the 400m race in the 2012 Olympics (not the Paralympics). By finishing second in the first heat attention was drawn to his blades and a lengthy investigation was held, to ask if he was competing at an advantage.

It raised a sensible question about what was fair and what wasn't fair. I wonder if the IOC need reminding about this episode of their history.

the brain is actually disconnected from the major vital or organs and function of the human physiology.

Oh, is this Sally Hines?

I think Semenya was different as there was a lot of obfuscation from the press around her DSD and it wasn't easy to figure out she was actually born male (as were the silver and bronze placed athletes in the 800m at the Rio). It's a lot more obvious that Hubbard was born male. I can only hope that means a different reaction from the public or we are entering a dark time indeed for women's sports.

There has long been jiggery-pokery around the categories in Paralympic sport with athletes bigging up their issues to get into a class they have more chance of dominating. Some have practically got away with murder. I think this is going to be the same.

I think a lot of countries will embrace it, if they think it will result in medals and records.

To some, winning is all that matters, at whatever cost. They see women’s teams as simply another class to dominate.

If they can dope their way into the record books, they will.
The type of regime that could break Elena Mukhina’s neck in the pressure to achieve gold will have no compunction at all in calling men women. It’s all about the medals and the glory.

It's been a long time since I studied biology but I would have thought that if your "brain is actually disconnected from the major vital or organs" wouldn't you be either dead or in a vegetative state rather than competing in the Olympics?