So Mumsnet ignored our request to have something to do with 'feminism' or 'women' in the name of the 'naughty step' subtopic

@Orangecircling

It’s not sneering. It’s factual.

Sometimes truth is difficult to accept. That doesn’t make it any less true.

Just want to chime in that I agree with the FWR posters in hating the division and the new name. If there's been a poll to gather opinion, I haven't seen or contributed to it. I don't think there has been anything of the sort though.

Perhaps we could do it like this:

Feminism based on biological fact.

Feminism inclusive of Penis.

Would that work?

I am in favour of the topics being split - but I do agree they should both have had the word 'Feminism' in the topic title, not just the URL.

I can see why GC feminists are upset by the name.

Justine

I think the split is artificial and unnecessary and the name of the new board is awful. I don’t want to debate sex and gender - I want to protect women’s sex based rights. At minimum change the name.

It's fairly obvious why this has happened and the significance of the timing of it. Although there has been constant attacks against FWR for the length of its existence, it was easy for TRA's to smear the women on here as 'transphobes', 'mad feminists', 'genital obsessives' etc. People would parrot that it's a 'transphobic' website based in part on bad faith posters who post carefully curated screenshots on Twitter.

However, the tide is turning. Normal people on the street are becoming more aware of the issues and becoming more vocal. There have been several high profile 'wins' for common sense and the tone of articles in mainstream media is becoming more balanced. Those 'mad bitches' on FWR are looking less and less unreasonable.

Undoubtedly, as with most dying regimes, there has been a huge pushback as last, desperate attempt to hold onto power. I'm guessing Mumsnet have received many, many more emails regarding this issue in the last few months, from people who clearly have no solid base to their arguments, as they are unwilling to express them on an open forum.

If Mumsnet would take courage and hold the line until this truly odd period of history has passed, they will really be able to say that they supported the right of women to speak. If they continue to impose punative talk guidelines (to only one board) and by imposing a beautifully signposted area for the misogynistic monitors, then they clearly aren't allowing women to speak freely.

It’s hugely insulting.

• As previous pp has said, my sex-based rights and protections are not up for debate. This is not a simple matter of difference of opinion, and the two ‘sides’ are not remotely equivalent.

That word (debate) needs to be removed.

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Hit this button circled in the attachement, then ‘add to favourites’ then ‘save’ and it will appear as a tab on your safari page when you open a new window.

I've had this account for around 12 years and been using MN for around 18 years. This is probably a bit hyperbolic but this actually feels like a betrayal. This is shockingly poor behaviour towards regular, often long-term, loyal posters.

Most of us don't just post in FWR, we've been providing valuable content across the site and on specialist boards for a couple of decades, and now this. It's a bit shit

@Pumperthepumper how can I make a short cut on my phone? I have an iphone abs use the app and haven't heard of shortcuts.

The site being called MUMSnet isn’t exclusive yet this hasn’t caused an issue or is that next.

On Twitter there are accounts that set up just to monitor FWR and purpose is to troll and harass mumsnetters. This is behaviour that raises red flags.

It’s not user friendly as woman that is also a mum who’s autistic - it’s messy disorganised and scattered. My sex based rights as woman are not up for to debate so that means post everything in feminism as otherwise men might assume otherwise

Dear women who post in The Tack Room - we've talked to loads of other board users and decided to change the name of this board to The Glue Factory.

We decided we were much more interested in their opinions than we were in yours. Sorry if you don't like it.

I'm not in a position to sort it. Mumsnet need to do it.

Has this ever happened before here, where decisions about a topic are made based on the opinions of those who don't use the topics and existing topic user views are dismissed?

It does come across as MN not wanting to 'host this debate' when it's presented like this.

LoverOfLight
@Winederlust but with respect it isn't. Many elements of the sex and gender debate are social, philosophical or even theoretical

Well yes, thats Feminism for ya. All of that good stuff

MN need to be a lot clearer on the what they expect to be on the board before they even start thinking of a snappy title for it.

Considering that Justine has only agreed with Lover OL and Quaggars on here, we can see has absolutely no hope of ever understanding or considering 95% of MN users.

I'm cancelling my sub

(I have it on another account, I don't trust them with having my private and financial information linked one that posts on feminism since #Emmagate) Not one more penny and adblock is going immediately.

Can someone tell me exactly why MN put this thread under Sex & Gender Debate FFS?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4275340-FASCINATING-ECONOMIST-ARTICLE-ON-INJURIES-IN-FEMALE-ATHLETES-AND-MENSTRUAL-CYCLE