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Come on over the feminist chat - there are no guidelines there

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stumbledin · 21/06/2021 15:06

Did you know you are now on the naughty step with special rules for what you can and can not post?

Why would anyone start a thread in sex and gender and who are MNHQ to arbitrarilly move someone's thread.

As I am opposed to any form of segregation I suggest we just boycott this forum and stick with feminist chat which has the added bonus of no rules.

And as no one has bothered to explain what has happened how can they tell me or anyone else we are in the wrong.

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stumbledin · 21/06/2021 23:29

I think it is that failure to communicate that in fact has created a lot of the suspicion and distrust of the motives.

Its not only unprofessional but its rude. I know not everyone pays but quite a few signed up to do that MN asked for financial support and this is their reward. Who treats their customers like that?

But there is no getting away from the fact that it also looks like they dont understand what is discussed or have gone out of their way to create discontent.

First of all there is no debate. The majority of posts are about how to save women's sex based rights.

If they had something along the lines of we can see that it a top issue for the majority, but it is swamping out the occassional posters on (insert here whatever feminist issue isn't about sex based rights).

So we are suggesting as it is such an active and ongoing campaign that posts on fighting for women's sex based rights are in the campaign section. On one level I can even see merit in that as it would mean with so many attacks on so many fronts on women's sex based rights having them grouped together could be beneficial.

So the heading doesn't even make sense. It is just insulting. They have been happy enough to take the compliments for hosting discussion and campaigning on women's sex based rights and then they charge in like a bull in a china shop saying why are taking up so much space with this debate.

Its in underhand, unprofessional and certainly not sisterly.

It can only be interpretated as divide and rule. And for whose benefit is that?

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ClosdesMouches · 21/06/2021 22:29

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

or is it disdain?
Feels disdainful to me.

Well over a decade here, I think my original account was created around 2008 possibly earlier.

I'm very disappointed by the way MNHQ has handled this. in all these years as a member here I've never seen a change handled so badly.
Not least the lack of announcement today that the board split had actually happened. To not communicate it beforehand to users, many of whom pay for their membership here, is IMO undoubtedly treating them with disdain.

JuneJustRains · 21/06/2021 22:21

I'm so confused by what goes where that I think just starting every thread on both boards is the best plan. Let MNHQ sort it out.

MiladyBerserko · 21/06/2021 21:11

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MozambiqueHere · 21/06/2021 21:04

It's funny you lot keep calling it "the naughty step" since you're all reacting like upset children Grin

TheElementsSong · 21/06/2021 20:30

What parts of feminism don’t relate to Sex and gender?

The "sugar and spice and all things nice" parts, maybe? For giggly chats about accessorising and choosing what to wear?

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 21/06/2021 20:29

When is feminism not about sex and gender. Utterly ridiculous.

Good question. That's why the gender critical label leaves me scratching my head. Feminism, including and especially the 20-21st-century waves, is gender critical by its most basic definition. Whatever the contested ground and fierce debate between opposing schools this is the one thing all feminisms have in common. It's the basis from which they start.

As is the point that feminism's central concern is women.

WanderinWomb · 21/06/2021 20:28

@merrymouse

What parts of feminism don’t relate to Sex and gender? Surely everything should be posted here?
Maybe this one is for "debating" and the other for "chatting" ?

Goodness knows.

merrymouse · 21/06/2021 20:11

What parts of feminism don’t relate to Sex and gender? Surely everything should be posted here?

ChristinaXYZ · 21/06/2021 19:28

Whilst I know it is not the same has what has potentially been lost here a reminder that the women run Ovarit ovarit.com/ is a good space to make sure you can keep up to speed on events and issues in women's rights. You can read even if not a member. To join you'll need a code from the admins (or someone you know who has an established account) whom you can DM on twitter twitter.com/WomenAreOvarit

WarriorN · 21/06/2021 19:20

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

actually if a bunch of liberal feminists are going to come out of the woodwork and get a sharp lesson in feminism over on the other board I'm kind of cool with that

But does that mean that if a thread around liberal feminism swung round to sex and gender it's an immediate ping over to sex and gender?

Not happy about any of it.

MrsWooster · 21/06/2021 19:05

@stumbledin

On another thread (or was it this one?!) someone posted they had contacted MNHQ about paying for something that was now stopping her from posting honestly. And was told to bear with them as they waited for feed back.

So basically this is not a consultation but a put into practice and if nobody complains then that's alright.

That’s me (this is closest to famous I’ll ever be). I can confirm that there was no detail about how /who can feedback.
WarriorN · 21/06/2021 18:55

@WarOnWoman

I can only see Sex and Gender section on my app.
I can see all the others; feminism chat is the only one with anything in it.

But when I go into to it, it's all sex and gender.

So I cant post in feminism chat but I can't see sex and gender!

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stumbledin · 21/06/2021 18:45

On another thread (or was it this one?!) someone posted they had contacted MNHQ about paying for something that was now stopping her from posting honestly. And was told to bear with them as they waited for feed back.

So basically this is not a consultation but a put into practice and if nobody complains then that's alright.

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BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 21/06/2021 18:39

actually if a bunch of liberal feminists are going to come out of the woodwork and get a sharp lesson in feminism over on the other board I'm kind of cool with that

WarOnWoman · 21/06/2021 18:38

I can only see Sex and Gender section on my app.

FlankerMum · 21/06/2021 18:38

...and we could legitimately discuss keeping biological males out of women and girls’ spaces - again, as we wouldn’t be mentioning gender.

FlankerMum · 21/06/2021 18:36

I don’t see why we can’t continue to post and discuss what has always been discussed on Feminism Chat, even with these new board arrangements.
All we have to do is centre women and girls (as always) and just not mention the word ‘gender’ - many of us reject the concept of gender anyway. This way, it couldn’t be argued that a thread should be moved to ‘Sex and gender debate’ because we wouldn’t have mentioned gender and we wouldn’t be debating it. We would purely be looking out for the best interests of women and girls and could legitimately state that we mean the biological sex kind of women and girls.

Witchesbelazy · 21/06/2021 18:24

It feels like there are less and less places to be able to actually express concerns about this now without being silenced or shoved into a corner

WanderinWomb · 21/06/2021 18:18

@Clymene

WanderinWomb LangCleg objected to things and said she felt she was experiencing coercive control.
Thank you.

LangCleg was always top of the hitlist because she knew exactly what she was talking about. What kind of person would target a safeguardimg expert?
Don't answer though, just think about it in your head.
We can all see what's happened, whether we mention it or not.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 21/06/2021 18:07

or is it disdain?

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 21/06/2021 18:07

I'll say it here too, why not?

MNHQ don't like their users very much do they?

Clymene · 21/06/2021 17:55

WanderinWomb LangCleg objected to things and said she felt she was experiencing coercive control.

WanderinWomb · 21/06/2021 17:43

@JellySlice

Careful, Elements, that's what got LangCleg banned.
Carefully, give me a clue please? Carefully.

LangCleg was an exceptionally experienced, eloquent and careful poster, that she was banned horrified me.

WanderinWomb · 21/06/2021 17:40

I don’t want to have to hunt about on different boards to read or post

It's already a headache trying to find posts. I think the only practical way to use might be on a desktop with each forum in separate tab.

Searching is going to be real big pain in the arse too.