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Self-ID and racism question

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headintheproverbial · 21/06/2021 08:51

I was just pondering this morning about the whole 'TWAW' argument and got to thinking about several people over recent years who have lost jobs / been massively criticised for identifying as another race.

So there was an American college professor who had built a career teaching African American studies who had presented herself as Black and was absolutely demolished (quite rightly probably) when it came out that she wasn't. Lost her job, abused on Twitter etc etc.

And yet when a man suddenly decides he's a woman we have to just jump on that and accept it as fact?

Is the difference simply... you know men vs women? Or is it more nuanced in a way I haven't considered. Because if it isn't more nuanced it might be an interesting argument to use.

OP posts:
deydododatdodontdeydo · 21/06/2021 09:21

There's nothing more a spectrum than race. You can literally be part one race, part another, or any mix of anything.
You can't do that with male/female.

Helleofabore · 21/06/2021 09:15

I’d also like some new and peer reviewed research into the whole ‘sex is a spectrum’ concept that has also become a thought stopping mantra.

Research that has not leveraged people’s medical conditions as examples of this spectrum.

Or failing that, I would like someone who believes the ‘spectrum’ to tell us who has been designated as the arbitrators of who is more female than someone else. And the people that fall in the very centre point - what sex are they and who decided? Because to me that lumpy graph treats people who have differences of sex development horrifically!

Helleofabore · 21/06/2021 09:09

I am placemarking OP because I am keen to see the answers you get. The explanations why is it acceptable compared to Rachel Dolziel.

On another thread we were told that there are males who identify as women who are so much better feminists than us, yet that poster never could provide a list so we could read their works.

So while I am expecting some very thoughtful and evidenced answers to your post, I will not hold my breath while I wait.

Siblingquandary · 21/06/2021 09:06

My very TWAW family say it's not the same because gender is a spectrum, cultural appropriation um... y'know... no?

YellowFish12 · 21/06/2021 09:03

Also to shout:

“Of COURSE that’s different you RACIST! That is cultural appropriation of an oppressed group. It’s not my job to explain it to you. Go and EDUCATE yourself”

#nodebate (cos I go no leg to stand on)

KihoBebiluPute · 21/06/2021 08:59

You are 100% correct OP. However the only acceptable response to this point is to stick one's fingers in one's ears and chant TWAW incessantly until the person making such a point goes away. Thinking with one's brain is transphobic.

YellowFish12 · 21/06/2021 08:55

*done a right number on society

YellowFish12 · 21/06/2021 08:54

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