Toilets in Glasgow pub (Mono)

Your anxiety is irrational. If someone wants to do you harm, they'll do so whatever label is on the door. That is only the tiniest minority of people.You'll be fine in a gender neutral loo. Don't sweat the small stuff.

No just ignore all the crime statistics. Forget about the sex discrimination. Forget that women had to fight to get toilets in the first place. Be kind ! Let the nice men do what they want. Play your part in their fetishes and don't be a spoilsport.
Yeah don't sweat the small stuff.
Aye right!

@Orf1abc I agree, and I think it's a pretty logical move given Mono's customers. I know a couple of trans men who go to Mono quite often and this would be a really positive step for them.

Ordinary, every day men who get a bit drunk and want to have 'a laugh'. Not really Mono's average customers. Your average venue on Sauchiehall Street, yes, I'd agree with you.

Your anxiety is irrational. If someone wants to do you harm, they'll do so whatever label is on the door

Not true all the time. There are crimes which are opportunistic. Sure some men will go into a space they’ll stand out in but not all are so emboldened.

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine, sadly there are misogynists who use teenage girls' compassion towards animals as a tool to control them. I had a schoolfriend drawn by a very controlling, older boyfriend into what was effectively an animal rights version of a religious-like cult group away from family and friends. Thinking back, those 'I'd rather go naked than wear fur', or naked celebs against fishing, or - recently and horrifically - vegan activist men actually branding young women lying on the ground in bikinis in a supposed animal rights demo. These are all animal welfare causes I support, but again and again they are being abused to push young women into doing the sort of things some men get their kicks from.

Your anxiety is irrational. If someone wants to do you harm, they'll do so whatever label is on the door. That is only the tiniest minority of people.

If someone wants to do you harm, they’ll use whatever opportunity they can. What you’re saying is let’s roll over and make it easier for them to get access because everyone is too afraid to challenge them. Let’s give them easy access so they can put in spy cams without being challenged as to why they are there.

I wish it was the tiniest minority committing these crimes, but given the number of people who are raped, sexually assaulted or harassed every year there’s more than a few perpetrators.

I don’t feel like shrugging and saying “rapists are going to rape, what can you do?”

Men and women state quite clearly they don't like it.

Gold standard research finds that mixed sex toilets and changing rooms means more violent acts upon women.

It's not good enough just to change a sign or two. The cubicles need to be redesigned to meet the law.

Time and time again ordinary cubicles are used to photograph or film women.

That 'tiniest minority' is a straw man. As we, GC women, keep on saying, it's not transpeople we are talking about. It's your common or garden male.

The kind of man who takes any opportunity to act upon his desire for sexual gratification.

Ordinary, every day men who get a bit drunk and want to have 'a laugh'.

The outcome is the same. A woman whose safety and dignity are ignored because...

Why aren't others told their anxiety about using single sex facilities fir their birth sex is irrational?

Your anxiety is irrational. If someone wants to do you harm, they'll do so whatever label is on the door. That is only the tiniest minority of people.

It's not just about safety. It's about privacy and dignity too. It's about not excluding people who for whatever reason need single sex spaces to feel comfortable doing things like changing a tampon.

Same at CCA

Presumably the toilet with urinals will also have at least one cubicle in as well? It would be very unusual for them not to.

Your anxiety is irrational. If someone wants to do you harm, they'll do so whatever label is on the door. That is only the tiniest minority of people.

You'll be fine in a gender neutral loo. Don't sweat the small stuff.

It sounds like sex discrimination to me - don't know whether it's direct or indirect, but they have chosen to provide loos in a way that disadvantages woken, because in practice they won't use the urinals, but men will use both.

Urgh

So men have the mens and men have the womens and women have no where.

So progressive

Mono regular here, I couldn't care less about gender neutral or not - their loos are so manky that I hang on until I get home.

Thanks for the heads-up. I used to really like Mono, but I won't be going there again.

Well they aren't gender neutral, are they? They now have Men (because few women will go in to a loo with urinals) and Mixed Sex.

Women, as per bloody usual, lose out.

Why not make them Mixed Sex (with urinals) and Women - that's the obvious solution, and would also help with the inevitable queues. But I suppose that's a really stupid question.