Toilets in Glasgow pub (Mono)

Mono is a trendy vegan cafe. I shouldn't be surprised. I'm just sad. There is no way on earth I would go somewhere with gender neutral toilets, especially not as I usually have young kids in tow, and I am not having them in a toilet that is likely to include adult men. It was my go-to Glasgow eating place.

please write to the management with your concerns and/or that you’re voting with your feet

It was interesting to hear in an interview that our beloved Arty Morty started to get peaked by women telling him about their dislike of his bar's mixed-sex toilets.

This stuff works!

Aw, no, not Mono.

if someone is going to do them harm they'll do so anyway
So we may as well lie on the ground naked and say come and get me then.
You do realise some crimes are opportunistic rather than planned.
@Undersnatch @ItsAllGoingToBeFine please write to the management with your concerns and/or that you’re voting with your feet

Please don't tell me my anxiety about this is irrational.. eugh I spent what felt like almost every day of my late teens and twenties being chatted up or bothered by men in some way. Comments, always with the comments, often leading to unwanted interactions, following, physical contact. The pub and club loos were a socially unacceptable place for these annoying men to follow me and female pals into, without having to 'make it a big thing' and involve staff members. A line was drawn at the door. I think I'd have been in a perpetual state of anxiety if toilets were mixed sex in those days. Add alcohol and the entitlement some men have.. if /when this becomes the norm it will be horrendous for teenage girls on nights out.

That's why the answer is always to take away never to add.

No ones interested in added trans specialised gym or swim classes

Or even calling up fir men only ones.

There are just complaints that there are women only ones and they must be inclusive to anyone but women or cancelled.

Don't have an issue per se with mixed sex as long as there's floor to ceiling cubicles with sink inside. There should be no urinals because they are only for me and means they are not gender neutral!

I'm a small restaurant it makes sense, two fully enclosed cubicles but in a busy pub this doesn't make sense because they are not gender neutral, they are skewed towards men!

DdraigGoch
I had something similar at my gym, and the toilets weren't even mixed sex, but the men would go in the women's to fill their water bottles up. I had a man who had been following me around the gym staring at me, who stood over me while I washed my face in the women's toilets and then blocked my way as I tried to get out. And so let me get this straight, the logic from the TRA's is that, because this has happened to me in a female only space, rather than trying to find a way to make female only spaces safer, we should make all spaces where women are vulnerable less safe, because women get perved on, spy cammed, intimidated, indecently exposed and raped anyway, so may as well remove all barriers?! God, they REALLY hate women, don't they.

Don't sweat the small stuff.

Everyone remember to save that for the next person insisting on opposite-sex pronouns.

You sound clueless. Typical trans activist response to women's valid concerns around safety. Utterly fucking clueless

Mixed sex toilets are how we know its not about safety. How can it be when the sake men who would be beating them up on the mens will still be in the Mixed ones.

I dont know why people keep falling for the lie tbh. Mixed sex toilets do not benefit women at all.

Your anxiety is irrational. If someone wants to do you harm, they'll do so whatever label is on the door. That is only the tiniest minority of people.

You sound clueless. Typical trans activist response to women's valid concerns around safety. Utterly fucking clueless.

Surely they can't have urinals in a mixed toilet. It's indecent exposure. If they want to mix toilets then the urinals have to be put out of action or are all their male customers already on the Sex Offenders Register?

After all, if someone is going to do them harm they'll do so anyway according to you.

I find this very odd considering the government is supposedly in the process of rewriting planning rules to require single sex toilets in public buildings. Establishments which have gender neutral facilities will be required to put up partitions to divide them into individual self contained cubicles.

I was in a pub a while ago, and the toilets were 'gender neutral'. It was a closed room with three stalls. I was in one of the stalls when a drunk guy wandered in and hammered on the door and jostled on the latch. I nervously said something like 'hello?' what do you want?' and then he began to chat me up from behind the door! "You've got a nice voice, why are you here" etc. And I was utterly terrified. I was immediately standing up, heart thumping, thinking this guy was going to break in and then...what could I do? And all I could think was 'please go away, just go away'. And the bloody female socialisation kicks in, so I began playing along and chatting just hoping he would be distracted. Eventually I heard him walk off to the next toilet, and I bolted out not even pausing to wash my hands (don't worry, I sanitised.) So yes, I do think the risks are higher. If I was in a female toilet, it is FAR less likely that I would encounter a man.

I've been in bogs where the old type room with cubicles has been made unisex.

The man who was in there when I came out of the first was apologetic.
The one when I came out the second gave off a vibe that he was not happy i was there.

In general men don't like this either.

The other thing is the toilets are often very gappy as designed for single sex.

I find the argument that if s bloke wants to he'll attack you anyway, crass in the extreme.

Women and girls saying it reduces safety so concerns them, getting the response well you're vulnerable all the time so what's the problem. Is a shit reaction. It really is.

I encountered the same last night in a fancy bar in London. The loos had clearly recently been designated “unisex” as the signs were just laminated A4 sheets. I pushed open the door to find 2 urinals and immediately walked out to try to find a loo I could actually use.

I was nervous about complaining but when I told friends I was with they immediately went to the waiter and complained. The waiter tried to say it was fine because you can lock the main door in the urinal room and there is also a cubicle in there.

We pointed out that most men wouldn’t think to lock the main door whilst peeing and women will end up walking in on them. Also, all that will happen is men will try the first door they see and then pee in a toilet instead of using the urinal - meaning less toilets for women!

He said he’d pass it onto management.

You should get some signs or stickers MEN and WOMEN and superglue them on the doors. Do it again and again and again. Make it a problem for the idiots who think it's ok.

"Don't sweat the small stuff". ?!?!?!?
This is not a "small stuff" issue.

I wouldn't like it either OP I would feel on edge if I had to go into a toilet with a drunk bloke.
Most women would apart from people " who don't sweat the small stuff"🤔

I've never been so wouldn't know 😁

But it sounds like fun!!

And now I feel so very old.

@johndwyershair @Orf1abc

why do some people's feelings about toilets matter but not others?

Women get harrassed by men CONSTANTLY. They want to be able to go and pee in peace and many women don't feel comfortable doing that in mixed sex toilets.

This is women saying NO I DO NOT LIKE THAT.

Ask yourself why you don't respect women who are saying this?

I know a couple of trans men who go to Mono quite often and this would be a really positive step for them

But why don't those transmen deserve the sake level of safguarding as everyone else?

We know female are more at risk in mixed sex spaces. We shouldn't be so casual about putting anyone born female at risk like that.