Page 6 | "Trans widows’ fear being trapped in loveless marriages if gender law changes" in today's Telegraph

TinselAngel · 2021-06-20T08:16:26+00:00

It's been a long slog but trans widows have finally made it into the broadsheets! Pleased to have worked with Ewan Somerville on this article, which is a pretty good summary: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/20/trans-widows-fear-trapped-loveless-marriages-gender-law-changes/

SpindleWhorl · 20/06/2021 11:20

Yes, the term 'spousal exit clause' is much more accurate and fair.

It's up to the government to make that exit, whether it be by divorce or annulment, as quick, painless, bureaucratically inexpensive but as financially equitable as possible.

It's not the government's business to prevent women getting divorces. That would be state-led abuse.

AfternoonToffee · 20/06/2021 11:08

I wonder how SW actually phased the question that resulted in such a high percentage being in favour of it being abolished.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 20/06/2021 10:58

My understanding is that it's another TRA scaremongering tactic to call it the 'spousal veto'

indeed. it would be more accurately called a 'spousal exit clause'. let's centre the wife's experience, not the husband's

Original poster

TinselAngel · 20/06/2021 10:55

For anyone new to this:

uncommongroundmedia.com/spousal-exit-clause/

OP posts:

WallaceinAnderland · 20/06/2021 10:36

It would not be a same sex marriage for the woman though, only for the transwoman. If the woman doesn't want to be married to a transwoman that should absolutely be grounds for divorce or annulment though.

SpindleWhorl · 20/06/2021 10:36

@Anotherhill

Does the spousal consent requirement actually mean that people can’t legally change gender without their spouses consent? If so, is it not worth fighting for an optional immediate annulment To be available on the grounds of gender changes? ( I don’t know the background to this, so forgive me if I’ve got everything mixed up- but I can see how people may feel uncomfortable that spouses can stop transition, whilst I can also see that people may not want to be in the type of marriage that they didn’t sign up to)

No, to your first question. My understanding is that it's another TRA scaremongering tactic to call it the 'spousal veto'.

There is no 'veto'.

There is a provision that the spouse does not have to stay married to a transitioner - which seems eminently fair and sensible, given the enormity of the change to the marriage contract.

ScreamingMeMe · 20/06/2021 10:34

That's brilliant. Great work, Tinsel

JustKeep · 20/06/2021 10:29

If somebody wants to transition, and their spouse doesn’t want to consent, then they need to divorce. That’s a simpler and fairer route than suddenly converting a straight marriage into a gay marriage, forcing somebody to be in a different kind of marriage than the one they chose.

ThatOtherPoster · 20/06/2021 10:26

It always boggles me that the same people who will tell you that you mustn’t tell other people what their gender identity or sexuality is are so keen to force purportedly same sex marriages on straight women without their consent.

That’s chilling. Imagine if it were the other way round? No way would men accept it.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 20/06/2021 10:22

Great news

Very well done

Anotherhill · 20/06/2021 10:22

Does the spousal consent requirement actually mean that people can’t legally change gender without their spouses consent? If so, is it not worth fighting for an optional immediate annulment To be available on the grounds of gender changes? ( I don’t know the background to this, so forgive me if I’ve got everything mixed up- but I can see how people may feel uncomfortable that spouses can stop transition, whilst I can also see that people may not want to be in the type of marriage that they didn’t sign up to)

Outbutnotoutout · 20/06/2021 10:19

Fantastic, well done xx

334bu · 20/06/2021 10:15

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2021 10:10

Well done Tinsel. Hopefully this will reach many women who don’t yet know that they are not alone.

And yes, absolutely this.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2021 10:09

Great to see this coverage, Tinsel!

SpindleWhorl · 20/06/2021 10:05

@Igmum

Brilliant news. I can't read the article because it's paywalled but I hope this will be taken up more widely. How about it Woman's Hour?

Click on the archive link above.

Cabinfever10 · 20/06/2021 10:03

Thanks for the archive link and we'll done for getting this out there for to long Stonewall has been allowed to be the only 1 to talk about this

Igmum · 20/06/2021 09:59

Brilliant news. I can't read the article because it's paywalled but I hope this will be taken up more widely. How about it Woman's Hour?

NonnyMouse1337 · 20/06/2021 09:52

This is a fantastic achievement - getting a well-written article in the mainstream press. Well done Tinsel for your tireless efforts to get to this stage.

JustcameoutGC · 20/06/2021 09:48

Well done tinsel. So hard getting women's voices heard

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 20/06/2021 09:46

amazing work Tinsel

getting women's voices heard - true feminism

OhHolyJesus · 20/06/2021 09:46

Huge congrats OP, it has been a long old slog indeed! Really thrilled to finally see this issue getting some mainstream coverage.

So truly well deserved.

Sophoclesthefox · 20/06/2021 09:43

Well done transwidows for all of your tireless work on this.

It always boggles me that the same people who will tell you that you mustn’t tell other people what their gender identity or sexuality is are so keen to force purportedly same sex marriages on straight women without their consent.

I hope the recent change in tone on the debate enables your voices to be accorded the space and respect they deserve

AfternoonToffee · 20/06/2021 09:40

Well Done.

MiladyBerserko · 20/06/2021 09:37

Well done Tinsel, fantastic to see TransWidows getting sympathetic media attention at last.

Thanks to you and the other trans widows for your outstanding courage and tenacity xxxxxxx