Tavistock gender clinic ‘converting’ gay children

Bernadette Wren - ex Tavistock - on some history:

100years.tavistockandportman.nhs.uk/bernadette-wren-on-change/?v=79cba1185463

'In 1995 Domenico de Ceglie set out the therapeutic aims and values for GIDS by which the service still abides. These include the ‘unconditional acceptance and respect’ for young people’s expression of their gender identity. “Those therapeutic aims still represent the core values of the service – they’re Domenico’s lasting legacy,” says Bernadette. “He grasped that if you want to have a genuine engagement with young people you have to take very seriously what they feel and what they say.” And she adds: “if you want to know how GIDS still operates, read Domenico’s aims.”'

Domenico de Ceglie is author of this book:

www.amazon.co.uk/Stranger-My-Own-Body-Development/dp/1855751836?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

Foreword by John Money:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money

CONTENT WARNING: CSA:

Money based much of his work on gender on the tragic case of David Reimer.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

Readers may find Money's views on paedophilia of note.

When, and why, did the senior GIDS leaders lose curiosity over the contributing factors? Why does GIDS need to disregard safeguarding in a way no other speciality does?

Yes. Who was influencing them?

How had the “do no harm” oath been met here?

This is seriously chilling!

rogdmum Everytime I think I'm shocked and then more and more comes to the surface. Will I ever be peaked shocked?

It's what I was scared of when dd was referred to the Tavistock. She'd experienced complex trauma, bullying over being a 'dyke', severe OCD and undiagnosed ASD amongst other things. There was a lot of untangling to do in the exploration of her gender identity. Experience of local CAMHS made me think the Tavistock would be no better at complex cases.

Reading that clinicians were being pushed away from talking about sexuality and other outside factors is chilling. When, and why, did the senior GIDS leaders lose curiosity over the contributing factors? Why does GIDS need to disregard safeguarding in a way no other speciality does?

@rogdmum - do you have a link to the full statement?

It's interesting that they're using the word converting.

Conversion therapy is well understood in terms of homosexuality. But Stonewall were pushing for it to be applied to transgenderism. Which meant that you would have to affirm a child in their transgender identity lest you be accused of conversion therapy.

It would appear that no one is buying that application.

It is true that the judicial review judgment did not ban the use of puberty blockers in under 16s. Firstly, it merely set a high bar to obtain consent, rather than imposing a ban; secondly, the judgment is not implemented, pending the appeal. But in effect it did temporarily halt the use of puberty blockers, because in response to the judgment, NHS England issued an emergency change to the service specification for GIDS which caused GIDS to halt referrals to UCLH while they undertook a review of existing contents.

"Because gender identity has nothing to do with sexuality!!!"

(Insert rainbow emojis, gender unicorns etc).

I agree and that's heartbreaking. Here we have professionals saying they are seeing LGB children coming to them having experienced bullying that must be so traumatic for them that they think changing their whole identity is the only solution. Why has this not been explored and challenged?

@Whatstheweatherlike
I wouldn't expect Stonewall to do anything as they can't even admit that homosexuality (ie same sex attraction) exists its same gender attraction now according to them

Well well well. If only someone had been pointing this out all along... oh wait, we were...

Thank you. Upsetting, stark but very clear headline.

Thank you for sharing, I agree it's upsetting to read. I'd love to know how Stonewall are going to stand up in support of these LGB children given the information that is coming to light directly from psychologists (previously) working at the clinic.

There is a definite link between parental issues and homosexuality. Nobody likes to admit it however.

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I really don't know how many times this needs to be said or written about for people to twig.

So many children have been failed it makes you sick to think about those poor kids

god that's awful. in their rush to experiment on children they just ignored any inconvenient back stories, didn't they?

It is quite tough to read that. We knew it, but, I'm thinking about my DD's friends who have gone from apple cheeked, freckle faced toddlers to sullen teens in the blink of an eye. Three of her social circle are on testosterone. I'd not have been surprised if those kids had come out as lesbian and DD thinks it is now seen as shameful to be a lesbian, that it means you are denying the truth of your transgenderism.

It is what we've been saying for years. Good to see it in print.

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